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Tony was great but Odom is better
Toni Kukoc
Lamar Odom
Both are PJ's best players off the bench. Pretty much similar in their game profiles, not to mention being left-handed too.
Though Kukoc is the better playmaker, Odom is the better rebounder. Both guys are extremely versatile. Though far from being franchise-player material, both of them are excellent players for PJ's championship teams.
Kukoc's Career Stats:
11.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, and 3.7 APG
Odom's Career Stats:
14.6 PPG, 8.9 RPG, and 4.0 APG
Tony was great but Odom is better
I have to go with Toni.
He hit some clutch shots in his career.
Odom hasnt.
Also, Ezau, keep in mind that Kukoc logged 25 minutes/games, while Odom is at 35 minutes per game
Odom. most verstile player n a while. He can pretty much play 4 positions
Kukoc was as versatile as LO
Idk how the anyone can say Kukoc. He was a scorer and that's pretty much it. Odom is a great rebounder, great passer and when focused great defender. He's a multi-dimensional player while Kukoc did one thing decent.
on offense AND defense??
Kukoc could barely guard 1 position decently
He also wasn't anywhere near as good a rebounder as LO.
Because Odom can guard a 5 year old ?
Odom is more athletic than Kukoc
But that doesnt mean he is more fundamentally sound
Huh? Does that do anything to dispute the fact Odom is a WAY better rebounder than Kukoc?
this. Not being biased because TBH Lamar has been one inconsistent MF'er ...
But Kukoc has no defense. Yes he is a better shooter and had better vision. But I would rather have Lamar at everything else: athlete, defense rebounding team-mate, tougher ...
but a good question though based on production ... however talent wise it's lamar and it's not even close.
On a related note, I am not sure I why I dont hate on Lamar as much for not reaching his full potential as I do Shaq ...because TBH Lamar had the potential to be a better ball handling KG type ... and is not even close to KG.
However, I watched Odom play at RI and with the clips he early on showed that he was a bit "flaky" as a player ... Shaq to me had GOAT potential or at least center GOAT and I guess that is why I judge him harder. Not trying to jack this thread but i think our perception of players is greatly shaped by our expectations.
Odom?
Defense?
Are you freaking kidding me?
Odom is no great defender never said that ...but he is a good, versatile defender.
with the Lakers his defense has been inconsistent, but watch how he played under riles on the heat or with TEAM USA ... or even with the Lakers where at times he has locked up Marion (matrix days), Scola (though Scola has had some success too), and Love (the 70 million dollar man)
Also people comparing minutes have to remeber that Kukoc "hung on" at the end of his career battling through injuries I bet his mins. per game was higher in his prime ...he played a smaller role when he first came over to the US and after his best years were done ... in his prime im sure his minutes were similar to LO's ...Odom has been a starter or 6th man for every team he has been on. IF he hangs on past his prime LO's mins. wil go down drastically ...
Phil Jackson was asked awhile back to name his top 5 "team" from among those he coached, aside from Michael, Scott, Kobe, and Shaq. I believe he answered in this order, someone will have to research it:
Pau Gasol (Lakers)
Ron Harper (Bulls and Lakers)
Not sure of who came next, but...
Dennis Rodman (Bulls)
Tony Kukoc (Bulls)
Can 't remember #5, but I don't think it was Lamar. Probably it was Luke Walton <snicker>
LO is one of the most talented and versatile players in NBA history. He definitely is a better basketball player.
The issue with Odom is lack of consistency/motivation. But when he wants to, he can be a lethal scorer, lockdown defender, precise and creative passer, and a rebounding machine.
Not to stir the pot, but what does Odm have that Kukoc doesnt - other than better athleticism?
By the way, Laker fans, it's not a knock on Odom, he is one of my favorite players
Passing: Odom is a good passer, but I have to give the edge to Kuloc
Outside shooting: advantage Kukoc
Ball handling: even
Defense: both inconsistent
Athleticism: advantage Odom
Left-handed: tie (ok, that's irrelevant)
Rebounding: slight advantage Odom
Clutchness: advantage Kuki
This. Lamar does less with more but when he wants to can pretty much do anything on the court excapt finish with his right hand and make clutch Ft's ...
Also. Look we all know MJ is arguably the GOAT and the Bulls one of the most popular Teams in NBA history. But the romanticizing of the players around MJ is pretty down right ridiculous ...even of Mj to some extent. Don't get me wrong Pippen was a great two way player but the more time passes the more people falsely elevate him. Especially calling Lebron a Pippen is almost laughable. sure Pip carried a MJless Bulls team to 50+ wins and was a legit MVP candidate but even without rings Pippen has done nothing that Lebron has. Lebron carried a weaker team with an offensively inept coach to teh Finals.
People do the same with rodman. Dude was an amazing rebounder, he was doing what Love is doing despite being smaller and older ...but his best days as a defender were long gone by this time ...and some of the great charges he took were out of the Bosh and Batum book of basketball flopping.
Stop it MOST of the credit for those teams belong to MJ and Phil. Pippen was great player a HOF'er and a borderline top 50 guy ...but some of yalll give him wayyy too much credit. Kukoc too ...
Kucoc wasn't inconsistent defensively he was inept ...Not to stir the pot, but what does Odm have that Kukoc doesnt - other than better athleticism?
By the way, Laker fans, it's not a knock on Odom, he is one of my favorite players
Passing: Odom is a good passer, but I have to give the edge to Kuloc
Outside shooting: advantage Kukoc
Ball handling: even
Defense: both inconsistent
Athleticism: advantage Odom
Left-handed: tie (ok, that's irrelevant)
Rebounding: slight advantage Odom
Clutchness: advantage Kuki
Not to stir the pot, but what does Odm have that Kukoc doesnt - other than better athleticism?
By the way, Laker fans, it's not a knock on Odom, he is one of my favorite players
Passing: Odom is a good passer, but I have to give the edge to Kuloc
Outside shooting: advantage Kukoc
Ball handling: even
Defense: both inconsistent
Athleticism: advantage Odom
Left-handed: tie (ok, that's irrelevant)
Rebounding: slight advantage Odom
Clutchness: advantage KukiOdom gets the "slight" advantage in rebounding? He averages more than double the rebounds Kukoc averaged per game.
and rebounding is not a slight edge ... for Odom either ...
Also how is Kukoc a better passer. Odom often-times runs the point for LA and he averages more assists per game...
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