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lol at saying 8.9 RPG has a "slight edge" on 4.2 RPGLol at YOUR arguments
Toni Kukoc
Lamar Odom
lol biased Laker fanLefty trying to make everyone laugh. Real good one-liner!!!
lol at saying 8.9 RPG has a "slight edge" on 4.2 RPGLol at YOUR arguments
Another lefty classic!
More minutes per game
More athletic
That's why I don't Odom has a HUGE edge over Toni
I guess from recollection. Maybe Kukoc has more polished moves? Maybe not. But also Kukoc played in the 90s which was more skewed toward defense even though the 3-point line was less distance. Odom has basically been a guy who drives to the basket or shoots an open jumper. Not alot of moves in his arsenal. He just has the role player mentality. Never good enough to be the 2nd option on a great team. Not saying Kukoc could either, but it seems that he may have had more polish in his game offensively just by watching. I guess the numbers point otherwise.
OMG Venti Quattro, your one-liners are killing me !!Another lefty classic!
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Being athletic is part of being a basketball player. Being able to play more minutes is part of being a basketball player. Do the rebounds Odom gets because of his athleticism not count?
Of course they count
But its not Kukoc's fault if he wasnt as athletic
Not sure if athleticism is a skill
What the ? Whether or not it's Kukoc's fault doesn't change the fact Odom's athleticism makes him a WAY better rebounder. The question is who is the better player, not who did more to maximize his game.
OK ok, I give up
Odom has had more potential because he entered the NBA at a young age while Kukoc entered at an older age, where some things are there for you to just accept. However, that's not reason for us not to say that Odom is more versatile than Kukoc because you can put Odom from 1-4, and 5 in a small lineup. Can you imaging trying to play Kukoc at 1 or 2? God that would be a disaster. So lefty pay attention and stop trying to blurt out funny liners. Kukoc will never be as agile, athletic and versatile as Odom. I'm not biased here, you just probably didn't have any TV sets in Algeria or wherever the you were during the time when Kukoc graced the NBA court.
In terms of who is better, I'd pick Odom but I'd bring a screw driver because it comes handy dandy when his screws are loosened when playing. He can do a lot of things for my team aside from three point shooting
Last edited by Venti Quattro; 03-03-2011 at 01:44 PM.
I do think Odom is a better player, but he never lived up to his potential.
It's so well-do ented how he's a rollercoaster during a season. But I'd still pick him over Kukoc.
Yes I agree. Odom at 60% of his potential >>> Kukoc at 100% of his potential
Ok, let's say Odom is better, but let's not carried away
first of all, you sound like the guy who shot john lennon with all this "he is my leader" bull . how old are you?
second of all, is the "siccophants" thing all you got? i have misspelled easier words than that and very while might do so in the future, so keep looking out for that so you can crush me even harder. i am very sensitive about such personal matters as my ability to correctly spell SAT-vocab words on the fly. ...that stuff ain't just lame message board talking, it really hits home (on top of being really, really, funny!)
thats all for now,
pussyface.
ps: who would you rather get ed by, gordon keith on ktck or leo dicaprio in ' anic'?
That's reaching brah but yeah the premise that Odom is better than Kukoc is still true.
with odom + kukoc we are obviously comparing their prime time in the NBA. With Duncan + Blake I am only considering this season. Is it so hard to comprehend that for you? Sorry I made your head hurt, just carry on...
I am going with Kukoc, but obviously Odom is a better defender and a little more athletic. Kukoc though was incredibly smart and talented and an amazing 3 point shooter and ball handler, passer in at near 7 feet tall and his international accomplishments give him the edge over Odom. I think he should be a future HOF he helped the Bulls win 3 NBA les and 72 games and his international accomplishments with the NBA should be enough to seal it.
Does anyone else remember this inferior form of bull he was spouting at a press conference following one of the Suns recent playoff eliminations?
He got all sentimental and irrational, and attributed the consistent inability of his squad to get over the hump to mere coincidence, rather than the shortcomings of his team. He insisted a le was imminent (sp?) and none of the Suns apologists raised an eyebrow because they thought he was just being a nice guy or something.
I remember his unbelievably irrational reasoning for being certain a championship was en route was "we've got guys here with hearts the size of Phoenix." (pure sentamental trype)
This was something I laughed my ass off at as a non Suns fan, and really goes towards a shortcoming Dantoni has as a leader.
...I wonder if Suns fans will agree with me on this now that the honeymoon phase is over with Mikey Dan.
Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Dejan Bodiroga, Dimitri Diamantidis, Peja Stojakovic, and now Ricky Rubio (who many have felt has a bright future in the NBA), to name a few. You can handpick the Kobes and LeBrons and Durants. But you also leave out Kwame Brown, Donnell Harvey, Dajuan Wagner, Louis Williams, Lavell Blancard, Kelvin Torbert, Randy Livingston, all either Naismith players of the year or Gatorade players of the year in their respective senior high school classes, with the exception of Kwame who was obviously a #1 overall pick in the NBA.
It's easy to pick out LeBron and Kobe. Just like I can pick out Dirk and Pau. The caliber of Euroleague has improved since Kukoc was there. But what Kukoc accomplished as a young Euroleague player is still without a doubt impressive. If you're going to use scouting reports of Lamar Odom out of high school and one year at Rhode Island, I think it's fair to look at what Toni did in Euroleague.
For me, Odom is the better athlete, he has had better production in the NBA, and he probably has a higher ceiling than what a 25 year old Toni Kukoc had. But Odom has never reached his full potential and that's mostly on him. As an NBA player, I don't think Toni reached his full potential either, but I think it was more of a product of his situation, the NBA team he landed on, the offense it ran, and particularly two of the teammates he played with in Jordan and Pippen. When Jordan and Pippen left, Toni was already 30 years old. He put up 19/7/5 that season. Then he became a journeyman. I still would have liked to see him have more of a chance to be "the guy" on a team a few years earlier. There was no Jordan his rookie year, but it was still his rookie year in the NBA. Then he had to take a backseat to Jordan and Pippen the next 4 seasons.
As for who is better offensively. It's arguable. Kukoc was the better shooter and at least for me the better passer/playmaker. Odom has different advantages on offense based on his skills. Better at driving to the basket and finishing, a much better offensive rebounder, better one-on-one player in isolation. If you look at each of their true shooting %, they're very comparable with a slight edge to Odom. Kukoc was more of a jumpshooter obviously. But it's more of a toss-up depending on what you look at as to who was better offensively. Even during that Bulls second threepeat, Kukoc's assist percentage was somewhere around 23-24% being a third banana on that team. Odom is also a third playmaker to Kobe and Pau, but I think he gets more touches than Toni got. And since the Lakers acquired Pau, Odom has an assist percentage of around 13-15%. I do think Toni was the better passer and maximized his touches when it came to creating for teammates.
Last edited by JamStone; 03-03-2011 at 02:02 PM.
with odom + kukoc we are obviously comparing their prime time in the NBA. With Duncan + Blake I am only considering this season. Is it so hard to comprehend that for you? Sorry I made your head hurt, just carry on...
It's funny how pussyface was dead on about this
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