Cuban claims Spurs bias in trade talks

[MannyIsGod]

Since you posted pretty much exactly what I said, perhaps I was agreeing with you. The second part wasn't worthy of a response, which is why I didn't respond to it. You need to work on your reading comprehension or maybe just stop clicking on threads with a chip on your shoulder.

PS: Phillip is butt hurt. I guess you misinterpreted the posts when someone dared to disagree with him about how Mark Cuban and Dallas sports radio have never been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general.

The 2nd part wasn't worth of a response but you pretty much posted exactly what I said in it? !!!!

I've got the chip on my shoulder? You're the one that raged out, bud. BTW, where's my cookie?

IDK if Phillip is butt hurt, but I'm pretty sure when someone responds the way you did they usually are. Hence the irony.

[MannyIsGod]

Part of it's exactly what I said earlier, but yes I read it. So ing what? It wasn't all that insightful or original, and as a result wasn't really worthy of a response. You want a cookie?

Since you posted pretty much exactly what I said, perhaps I was agreeing with you. The second part wasn't worthy of a response, which is why I didn't respond to it. You need to work on your reading comprehension or maybe just stop clicking on threads with a chip on your shoulder.

Literally made me LOL in a library. I got weird looks.

[SenorSpur]

I live in DFW too, and there isnt nearly as much hot air as you suggest.

I disagree completely.

Cuban, much like Jerry Jones, is all about promotion his team - and mainly self-promotion. They say anything and do anything that keeps them in the public eye and in front of the cameras and the microphone.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with it, but when you puff out your chest and beat your own drum, and tell the world how great you are, you'd better have some success to show for it. Otherwise, you'll look pretty foolish.

[PublicOption]

All these "all-stars" are congregating to every team but the Spurs and this ass talks about us like we are some evil empire "new york yankee" types. STFU Cuban.

[MannyIsGod]

I disagree completely.

Cuban, much like Jerry Jones, is all about promotion his team - and mainly self-promotion. They say anything and do anything that keeps them in the public eye and in front of the cameras and the microphone.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with it, but when you puff out your chest and beat your own drum, and tell the world how great you are, you'd better have some success to show for it. Otherwise, you'll look pretty foolish.

Cuban is worse than Jerry Jones, IMO. Maybe Jerry was once like Cuban but Cuban just whines and whines and whines about everything. Jerry is all about hype, but doesn't really whine that much.

I think promotion is fine but after awhile people just tune you out when you whine as much as Cuban does.

[SenorSpur]

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

That being said, Bruno hit th ball out of the park with his post. Cuban overvalues his assets all the damn time and it would not surprise me that most people in the league hate him because he's a neverending windbag. Dude just needs to learn to STFU for awhile.

That's all there is to it.

He reminds me of the precocious kid on the block, who had marbles, but got jealous when someone else had marbles that he thought we prettier than his.

Dude is just a spoiled brat and an over-talkative, know-it-all.

[Blackjack]

I however, would like a cookie. Oatmeal raisin please!

+1

That's one uva selection. Love me some oatmeal raisin.

[SenorSpur]

Cuban is worse than Jerry Jones, IMO. Maybe Jerry was once like Cuban but Cuban just whines and whines and whines about everything. Jerry is all about hype, but doesn't really whine that much.

I think promotion is fine but after awhile people just tune you out when you whine as much as Cuban does.

The bad thing is that Cuban cries wolf and es so much that when he does have a legitimate point to make, like his recent complaints about the NBA allowing the Hornets to do trades that add salary, it gets lost in transition. Nobody cares because "oh, it's just Cuban again."

[jjktkk]

And where did I disagree that Cuban or Dallas sports radio has NEVER been anything but respectful and complimentary of the Spurs and San Antonio in general?

where did Dallas sports radio come into the discussion?

lastly who gives a about the city of San Antonio? how is that remotely relevant to this?

A better question is why a butthurt Mavs fan is trying to justify a whiny like Cuban on a San Antonio Spurs website, unless that Mav fan is in serious butthurt mode?

[Obstructed_View]

The 2nd part wasn't worth of a response but you pretty much posted exactly what I said in it? !!!!

Let's go real slow so you can follow: You commended someone else for something they said, and then said something similar to what I said earlier. Since there was no original thoughts from you, I didn't see the need to quote it. Had I realized you were going to get all bent out of shape about it, I certainly would have.

I've got the chip on my shoulder? You're the one that raged out, bud.

Not sure where you see any raging out. Was it the use of the F word? Sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't see why it was so important to you to even whine about it. Still don't, actually.

Here's a tip: Just because someone quotes something you wrote doesn't mean they're starting a fight. Sometimes they're just using your post as a springboard into something else. See your shoulder for more information.

[Blackjack]

While it makes few doubts that there are privilege connections between some franchise, I question how Cuban value his own players. He overrated players like Beaubois or Kidd. At the end, maybe Cuban thought his trade package was better while, in reality, it wasn't.

And Cuban would have better connections with other teams if he stopped to about everything.

I pretty much concur. Though, Marquis Daniels is looking closer and closer to being Tracy McGrady these days . . .

[MannyIsGod]

Let's go real slow so you can follow: You commended someone else for something they said, and then said something similar to what I said earlier. Since there was no original thoughts from you, I didn't see the need to quote it. Had I realized you were going to get all bent out of shape about it, I certainly would have.


Not sure where you see any raging out. Was it the use of the F word? Sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't see why it was so important to you to even whine about it. Still don't, actually.

Here's a tip: Just because someone quotes something you wrote doesn't mean they're starting a fight. Sometimes they're just using your post as a springboard into something else. See your shoulder for more information.

Is the cookie on my shoulder because I'm still waiting? For someone who's not butthurt you are doing a whole lot of explaining. Just saying.

[Obstructed_View]

Is the cookie on my shoulder because I'm still waiting? For someone who's not butthurt you are doing a whole lot of explaining. Just saying.

For someone who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder you sure seem to be more interested in being confrontational than reading. Just saying.

[sefant77]

I'm a 20-year die-hard SPURSfan, live in D/FW, listen to The Ticket, and heard Norm's interview with Cuban this morning. Phillip is right. It wasn't sour grapes or anything. He even refused to comment on labor/CBA issues for either the NBA or the NFL because he would get fined for it. If he refused to talk about the "controversial" issues, he certainly didn't view his statements on trades as controversial -- just the facts.

Fact: Spurs & Mavs are rivals, why would they trade with each other?
Fact: Certain teams/coaches have a pedigree (Cuban mentioned the coaching trees of Nellie and Pop), and those respective lineages would rather deal with each other first than other teams.

It's just a matter of relationship building -- that's what business is all about. Cuban said nothing very controversial, but it was pretty open and informative.

Cuban acts like a spoiled brat behind the bench, but when it comes to the business side of sports, technology trends, or entrepreneurship, I shut my mouth, listen, and try not to view it through my fiesta-colored glasses.

Wow, just one guy finally git it, amazing. The rest is the typical pathetic "Cuban said something...doesnt matter what, i wont try to understand it...WHINER WHINER WHINER"

Cuban talks often about the "daily work" of a FO and all the little things that are influecing trades, trade talkes etc. Like rivalries, background of FO personal etc.

AS EXAMPLE he mentioned Mavs/Spurs related stuff. Could be also Mavs/Rockets, Lakers/Boston, Knicks/Heat etc. He doesnt whine about anyhting, he explained typical business in the league with a Mavs/Spurs example.

[SourCandy]

Don't read.

If that's true and it's not against any NBA rule then it's pretty smart. Imagine you are the owner of a team who has had their pushed in by another organization. Owner of said organization says "hey..can I have your center and i'll give you my back up center and a point guard...what do you say?" Owner of said organization is not gonna jump for joy to make the other guys team better. Or even vice versa if butthurt owner called the rapist team owner and said "hey give me your point guard and i'll give you my 2 guards." Rapist team owner would say "hey I like raping your team..no deal" and calls the owner of another team and says "hey dont trade your point guard to butthurt team I like raping them" Other owner says "what's in it for me" rapist owner says "i'll ow you one" other owner says ....um ok.

lol horrible I know

[Phillip]

A better question is why a butthurt Mavs fan is trying to justify a whiny like Cuban on a San Antonio Spurs website, unless that Mav fan is in serious butthurt mode?

The best question is does your family have mental re ation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bull , or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking , then when someone calls you out for the got you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt "



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to butt a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of.

Seriously, you would be better off trying to butt a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

I will never ever want to have dinner at your house.

[ManuBalboa]

Spurs front office is so gangsta they intimidate Cubes.

[jjktkk]

The best question is does your family have mental re ation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bull , or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking , then when someone calls you out for the got you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt "



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to butt a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

Lol, you saying you like intelligent conversation, but when your butthurt, you want me to a burrito. Thats just brilliant Phillip. Here, maybe this can help and send a couple to Cuban.

[Phillip]

Lol, you saying you like intelligent conversation, but when your butthurt, you want me to a burrito. Thats just brilliant Phillip. Here, maybe this can help and send a couple to Cuban.

cool story bro

[temujin]

It's not what he was saying at all. I was listening to it. He was just pointing out how relationships affect the trade market.

really?

How surprising.

Welcome to the real world, Mr cuban.

[EVAY]

Didn't someone say once that Cuban's nom de plume was Phillip?

[ohmwrecker]

What part of my posts have indicated I didn't read the OP?

There's a serious lack of reading comprehension in this thread. Cuban wasn't blaming the Spurs at all.

Cuban claims trade bias on the part of some teams: The surprising piece of commentary were his allegations about biases in trade talk among some NBA teams. He claimed that across the NBA, there are known cliques, whereas some teams are more willing to deal with certain teams, moreso than others. He laid out claims specific to teams that have a "Spurs pedigree" (meaning former Spurs personnel in front office positions). Team that have, on occasion, been unwilling to deal directly with the Mavs. He cited one particular situation where he offered up a trade package to a specific team, a team with a Spurs pedigree, for a specific player - only to have his trade proposal denied. He went on to claim that later, that same team settled for, what he considered to be, an inferior package from another team.

Cuban also claimed that "we're always willing to deal with most any team." However, "there is such a compe ive rivalry between "us and the Spurs" that would probably "preclude us from doing any deals with them." when he went back and asked said team, why they rejected their proposal, the answer he got was "we looked up and down your roster and didn't see anything we wanted."

It's subtle, but he basically implying that the reason that the trading team in question with "Spurs pedigree" denied to trade with the Mavs was solely based on some perceived loyalty to the Spurs, and not for the much more plausible reason that they are conference/division rivals. He tries to reinforce this ridiculous hypothesis by saying that the team accepted an "inferior package" from another team (because there is know way they could have actually liked the other deal better, right?)

So, in review: Cuban expects us to believe that a team's front office is going to purposefully turn down a better offer from the Mavs to accept an inferior offer from another team because the Spurs don't like the Mavs and they like the Spurs better?!

It's preposterous . . . is what it is.

[jsandiego]

The best question is does your family have mental re ation in its lineage?

I think a potato salad could carry a more intelligent conversation than you are capable of. I don't think I have seen you provide one post with any shred of intelligence since you have been here. Pretty much just crybaby bull , or jumping on the backs of fellow spurs fans, talking , then when someone calls you out for the got you are, you resort to "you are a (insert team here) fan on a spurs website, so your ass is hurt "



Even when I have disagreements with other posters here like OV, at least they can sometimes provide some backing to their statements, and hold a conversation that requires some sort of intelligence. But you on the other hand, you have no statements. You bring absolutely nothing to the table. Seriously, you would be better off trying to butt a burrito then ever trying to hold any sort of conversation.

What kinda burrito?

[wildbill2u]

Didn't the so-called Spurs pedigree work against us in a couple of cases?

Wasn't Kevin Pritchard, a former protege of Pop and Spurs FO guy, the guy who screwed us royally out of Batum in a slick deal just before we were going to draft him.

Most of these guys who leave the Spurs know Pop and his opinion of players and draftees and do their best to beat us at our own game--finding talent to fit our system where most people don't go or know.