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[Cry Havoc]

So now you've resorted to changing quotes to make a point CH? Is that really the best you can do?

What quote of yours did I change?

[PM5K]

I didn't contradict myself, I'll say it again: A gimmick is something that has no relevance or use. It's something companies make up to get you to buy their stuff. Is the name itself gimmicky, I don't know, but the feature it describes is not. Let's say for example that it would be impossible to distinguish between 350 PPI and 700 PPI, but the iPhone 5 had a feature called Retina 2 HD that was 700 PPI, that would be a gimmick.

As for 800x600 res on 17 inch displays, yeah nobody had any problem with it because we didn't know any better. See how many people want to use a screen that size and with that resolution now.

When I used to look at my 3GS I never thought, man this screen looks like , and neither did anyone else. So Apple is wrong for giving us something we didn't even know we wanted, but we love now? Why, because they gave it a name some people think is silly? We'd really stifle innovation if companies only gave us what we wanted.

What I said that you changed was that it didn't matter what it was called, it is a beautiful display and that's what sells it.

What I was saying about sunlight wasn't about direct sunlight, you misunderstood what I was trying to say.

The resolution in and of itself doesn't make it high res, what makes it high res is that it's on a 3.5 inch screen, when you do the math you wind up with 326 PPI, if you didn't bother to mention the screen size, or do the math you'd miss the point entirely. 640x960 on a 17 inch screen isn't the same at all, so it's worth noting.

The iPhone 4 display is nicer than the EVO's. It's not as big of a difference as say the 3GS, but it's still nicer.

And, I didn't even mention how nice it looks with the space between the touch screen and the LCD eliminated, which is really what that comment about driving in my car was about, at least in part. Because of that change, what ever is on your screen actually looks like it's ON your screen, not behind it.

[Cry Havoc]

What quote of yours did I change?

Also please show where I used the word "gimmick", thanks. Wouldn't want you to be changing my statements to what other people said.

[PM5K]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what Apple calls their high resolution/high PPI screens, they could have called them anything and they still would have been amazingly popular, because it's Apple.

[Cry Havoc]

Ah... okay... so you're saying you disagree with the statement I changed? I wasn't aware that it offended you so much. Personally I thought the change made the statement more accurate than it already was.

[PM5K]

You said I contradicted myself when I commented on it being a gimmick, so I responded to that. Did you say it in the first place, I didn't bother to look, but you commented on my comment so I commented back.

[PM5K]

Ah... okay... so you're saying you disagree with the statement I changed? I wasn't aware that it offended you so much. Personally I thought the change made the statement more accurate than it already was.

Of course I disagree with it personally. It implies that I'm a sheep and I make my decisions based on Apple marketing hype, rather than intelligent decisions based on hardware, software, price, etc.

[Cry Havoc]

Of course I disagree with it personally. It implies that I'm a sheep and I make my decisions based on Apple marketing hype, rather than intelligent decisions based on hardware, software, price, etc.

No, it implies that a proportion of Apple's fanbase buys it on nothing but hype. I said nothing about you in particular... you put yourself into that subset. Do you not think that Apple would sell a trillion iPad2s even if it was a horrible device? If you don't view yourself as someone who's like that, then don't put yourself in that demographic.

[PM5K]

Do you not think that Apple would sell a trillion iPad2s even if it was a horrible device?

Of course not, but a lot of people seem to think they would.

Rather than accept that Apple makes incredible devices, that are often better than their compe ors, fanboys try to make it out that people that buy Apple products do it based on hype.

[ElNono]

Yep, which is exactly what I said earlier in the thread. I just find it funny that it's done so blatantly and people eat it up. A testament to the powers of Apple's marketing division.

If Apple keeps doing it it's because it's working...

As I said, they're far from the only ones being successful in relabeling tech. EZPass, Bitlocker, Beats audio, etc etc etc

[ElNono]

Do you not think that Apple would sell a trillion iPad2s even if it was a horrible device?

I don't think so either. I think the reason they've sold well and that they're able to charge a premium for it is because it's a superior product (we've discussed this before, 'product' doesn't necessarily mean only hardware or only software, but the user experience of both combined).

[ElNono]

And FWIW, you can look at the Apple TV for a constant flop of a product that's priced aggressively but it's very underwhelming.

[ElNono]

Samsung sees iPad 2's thinness, price as challenges

By Lee Youkyung
SEOUL, March 4 (Yonhap) -- Samsung Electronics Co., the world's second-largest maker of mobile phones, sees the slim design and compe ive price of Apple Inc.'s new iPad 2 as its biggest obstacles, a senior official said Friday.

Apple unveiled the latest generation of the iPad tablet computer this week, touted by its chief executive officer Steve Jobs as "dramatically thinner" than its previous model.

The iPad 2 is one-third slimmer than its predecessor at 8.8 millimeters, compared with Samsung's latest 10.9-millimeter tablet computer announced last month.

Lee Don-joo, executive vice president of Samsung's mobile division, said that Apple has presented new challenges for the South Korean company with a thinner mobile gadget that is priced the same as its predecessor.

"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," Lee told Yonhap News Agency. "Apple made it very thin."

Samsung also made its latest Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet computer larger, faster and thinner than the 7-inch original Galaxy Tab. But the new, larger screen comes at a price.

The 7-inch Galaxy Tab was priced at nearly US$900 without a two-year contract from mobile operators, while the price of the iPad 2 starts at $499, with the most expensive model costing $829. Samsung did not announce the pricing details for the 10.1-inch tablet.

"The 10-inch (tablet) was to be priced higher than the 7-inch (tablet) but we will have to think that over," Lee added.

Samsung, which was one of the companies singled out by Jobs as compe ors making "copycat" products, sold 2 million Galaxy Tab tablet computers during the four months since October 2010. Apple sold 15 million iPads in the April-December period.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

When a company can successfully dominate the market with a phone that was already behind the curve when it was released, I will not be surprised when the iPad 2 will sell like hotcakes to the apple masses.

[PM5K]

with a phone that was already behind the curve

What does that mean?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

that last iphone that was released, not the original

[PM5K]

that last iphone that was released, not the original

In what way was it behind the curve?

[MannyIsGod]

In what way was it behind the curve?

Really? 4g service for one.

[PM5K]

Really? 4g service for one.

So one thing means you're behind the curve? So every phone that didn't have a gyroscope is behind the curve?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

uhoh it seems as if I've offended an apple acolyte

nevermind i take it back, it's the most flawless, amazing piece of technology in the phone industry

[PM5K]

Yeah I wonder who won that one between the EVO and iPhone 4....

It's a funny video too because they try to rag on the iPhone 4, yet they don't have it in stock, but they do have the EVO.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That's the whole point of my original post in this thread.

To put it another way

If they can succeed beyond their wildest dreams with a phone that is not the best of its kind, purely on hype, and get people to flood the market that don't even fully utilize the equipment, then I won't be surprised if people are stupid enough to abandon their iPads and laptops for the iPad2 and make the iPad2 another apple success story.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Get it? I think the iPad2 will be a success. I'm on your side.

[PM5K]

That's the thing, it's not JUST hype. Sure there's hype, some from Apple and some from people that own them, but at the end of the day it's a great phone.

You say behind the curve, but in reality the specs are pretty much the same as the EVO 4G which when the iPhone 4 came out was the main compe or. Sure it doesn't have 4G, but that's just one feature, and just because it doesn't have it doesn't mean the iPhone is sold based on hype, especially when the iPhone had a couple of features the EVO didn't have.

[PM5K]

Get it? I think the iPad2 will be a success. I'm on your side.

I think it will be too. Based on hype? Not necessarily. First of all specs wise it can go neck and neck with any other same type device. Another part of it is that if you already have an iPad and sell it to buy an iPad 2, the investment isn't that steep.

Personally I'm in no rush to get an iPad 2, but at some point when I start to see games that my wife's iPad won't run, I'll have to consider an upgrade.