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How is D-Will 2nd team?
First:
PG - Derrick Rose
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - LeBron James
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
C - Dwight Howard
Second:
PG - Deron Williams
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Amare Stoudemire
C - ??? (Tyson Chandler?)
Third:
PG - Russell Westbrook
SG - Manu Ginobili
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Pau Gasol
C - ??? (Tim Duncan? No Way)
damn, the center-position really sucks at the moment...
How is D-Will 2nd team?
Last edited by Pelicans78; 03-08-2011 at 03:27 AM.
A 45 year-old Steve Nash and a 80% CP3 have outplayed him.
Where's Kevin Love?
Horford is listed as a C
son he is white so he is automatically forgotten ... I'm not saying its right, just speaking truth.
Love is a looter in a riot. Nice player, but he already made the All-Star team. Doesn't deserve anything else. Give to Aldridge.
1st Team
G Rose
G Wade
F James
F Durant
C Howard
2nd Team
G Williams
G Bryant
F Love
F Gasol
C Stoudemire
3rd Team
G Westbrook
G Paul
F Griffin
F Nowitzki
C Horford
Last edited by baseline bum; 03-08-2011 at 04:20 AM.
is this based on stats or player chemistry?
First:
PG - Rajon Rondo
SG - Derrick Rose
SF - Kevin Durant
PF - Kevin Love
C - Dwight Howard
Second:
PG - Chris Paul
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Lebron James
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Amare Stoudemire
Third:
PG - Russell Westbrook
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - Carmelo Anthony
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
C - Al Horford
I nearly put Nash on third team in protest, since he's having about the same year as when he was given Shaq's MVP trophy.
I give you an F for this rendition. Rose is a PG, and if he is a SG, Kobe > Rose. Period. For the PF position, I give you another F. No way in is Love > TD and TD > Gasol. Gasol just ted on TD in front of millions just a few nights ago**. And Bynum took a wet dump on Amare and Al Horford this year in two Laker Ws. But they both are better centers than Bynum?
**Spur fans been saying TD will bring it when he is needed to in the playoffs. He just coasting. His production has dropped off because he is playing the lowest amount of minutes in years. Well, you guys needed him against the champs. His response: 2 points (1/7 FGAs), 7 rebs, 0 blocks, (-29), in 23 minutes against a game Laker team. At home no less. Meanwhile Pau was 21/6/5 (+13).
All-NBA teams are two guards, two forwards and a center. Doesn't matter if it's PG, SG, SF or PF
So where were you lkrfan when T-Mac and Kobe were garnering all-first team recognitions... together, on one all-first team? Or when Kidd and Payton, who are both PGs won it?
I knew that, but that's not how he has it. He clearly put the regular lineup out there and did not have what you described. That is what I responded to.
Uh, thanks, Kobefan, but most of this year's MVP voters disagree with you. Nice job on understanding how all-NBA teams work. There are a lot of people out there who will tell you Rose is as much a shooting guard as point guard. I pasted the text from someone else's post and changed the names, so if it's really important to you that I go back and remove the specific designations, I think I'll just ask you to pretend they aren't there.
So let me get this straight: You just got done saying that Kobe is better than the current frontrunner for league MVP, and in addition to that, Gasol is better than the leader of the best team in the league as well as the guy who leads the league in rebounds, is third in PER, and has a historic record of double doubles. AND in addition to that, you're suggesting that Bynum should be the second team center? I know Sunday's win was big for your team's confidence, but you should probably pump the brakes.For the PF position, I give you another F. No way in is Love > TD and TD > Gasol. Gasol just ted on TD in front of millions just a few nights ago**. And Bynum took a wet dump on Amare and Al Horford this year in two Laker Ws. But they both are better centers than Bynum?
Again, I'm really happy for your March playoff victory, but the all NBA teams are season-long awards, and Duncan's production hasn't dropped off; his minutes have. He's putting up very good defensive numbers despite not playing very many minutes, and oh by the way his team has the best record in the league. If it's any consolation, I'm sure Gasol and Bynum are right up there for Player of the Game on Sunday.
And one last thought: No ing way Gasol makes the list over Dirk. No ing way. I feel bad enough putting him on the third team.
So let's recap: Laker fan wants three players on the first or second team, and thinks ONE member each of the teams with the two best records in the league is too many. I keep being surprised at how giddy a regular season win can make the fans of a two time defending champion.
Last edited by Obstructed_View; 03-08-2011 at 06:05 AM.
Bynum outplayed the two players you touted as being better then him. Some stats are hollow and you know it. Bynum impacts the Lakers team on both sides of the ball more so than either of those two. But we can agree to disagree on that too if you like.MVP voters are mostly white media types that have hated Kobe since Colorado. Like the refs (mostly white) he will get no love from them. Rose is nice and exciting - can't hate on him - but if I want to win right now, it's Kobe. In a year or two - different story due to Kobe's age, mileage.Uh, thanks, Kobefan, but most of this year's MVP voters disagree with you. Nice job on understanding how all-NBA teams work. There are a lot of people out there who will tell you Rose is as much a shooting guard as point guard. I pasted the text from someone else's post and changed the names, so if it's really important to you that I go back and remove the specific designations, I think I'll just ask you to pretend they aren't there.
If TD was still better than Gasol right now, he would have showed it against the champs. Less minutes my ass. 1/7 is pathetic. Don'tSo let me get this straight: You just got done saying that Kobe is better than the current frontrunner for league MVP, and in addition to that, Gasol is better than the leader of the best team in the league as well as the guy who leads the league in rebounds, is third in PER, and has a historic record of double doubles. AND in addition to that, you're suggesting that Bynum should be the second team center? I know Sunday's win was big for your team's confidence, but you should probably pump the brakes.
it. And I respect TD, always have. But he is not better than Gasol right now. I know you won't admit, but that's ok. As far as PER, get that Hollinger crap out of here. I go by what I see: 2010 and 2011 Gasol > 2010 and 2011 TD. And no, champs don't need confidence. They just need a reason to flip the light switch. You guys on the other hand celebrate lucky tip in 2 point wins.
March playoff victory? Who on the Lakers celebrated after demolishing the then 51-11 Spurs? Nobody that I saw. In SBC Center, TD got a lucky lay up for his 2 points. Everything else was shut down. And it's funny how you talk about Gasol and Bynum as if they are afterthoughts. I'll almost guarantee that you guys don't roll out 6'5" Blair at center again (he looked scurred out there the last 2 games) against the Lakers. Especially in the playoffs.Again, I'm really happy for your March playoff victory, but the all NBA teams are season-long awards, and Duncan's production hasn't dropped off; his minutes have. He's putting up very good defensive numbers despite not playing very many minutes, and oh by the way his team has the best record in the league. If it's any consolation, I'm sure Gasol and Bynum are right up there for Player of the Game on Sunday.
Fair enough with Dirk. He is a good player. I won't waste my time arguing with you on that one.And one last thought: No ing way Gasol makes the list over Dirk. No ing way. I feel bad enough putting him on the third team.
So let's recap: Laker fan wants three players on the first or second team, and thinks ONE member each of the teams with the two best records in the league is too many. I keep being surprised at how giddy a regular season win can make the fans of a two time defending champion.
Last edited by LkrFan; 03-08-2011 at 06:50 AM.
Although a fan of his, I would bump Dwill to 3rd team ... and could even understand if he was bumped off. Needs a strong finish to make ALL-NBA IMHO ...
He had a great start but wrist injury has hampered him. Same for Paul who has been inconsistent after a hot start ...
2nd and nthird centers are iffy at best ...
Poor Kobe. Must suck being the only black guy in the league. All those racists voting for white guys like Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard. Kobe's destined to go his entire career without a league MVP award.
BTW, put Derrick Rose on the Lakers THIS YEAR and they're in first or second in the west, especially with a first team power forward and a second team center next to him.
And the season is only one game. It's not even three games because the two the Spurs actually won don't count. Sorry for having one Spur on the list. I know they lost the only important game of the season so far. If champs don't need confidence, why is their fanbase so insecure that they have to challenge someone else's all-NBA selections and whine about Dice's tip in?If TD was still better than Gasol right now, he would have showed it against the champs. Less minutes my ass. 1/7 is pathetic. Don't
You must have missed Kobe and Artest respectively flexing and pumping their fists and Bynum jubilantly spilling his guts to the nearest microphone. They obviously did all those things against Charlotte and Minnesota.
I'm fuzzy on how any of this has anything to do with my all-NBA selections, but you're really excited about that win on Sunday, so I understand. Must be nice not to feel like losers for the first time this season without having to hurl insults at the team that's still ahead of...well, you're still hurling insults.
The head to head metric as an all-NBA selection criterion is pretty complex, but the "how did they do against the Lakers" metric hasn't really caught on as the defining factor in selection. I do find it interesting that you go into immense detail to give me stats on a single game to make a case for one player, but discount specific stats on another or just throw them all out the window and blame racism if it's not in your favor. I'd ask if you were for real, but I don't think I really want to know if you actually are.
Since you didn't do your all-NBA team, and instead cried about why my opinions aren't valid, I'll do your list for you:
Last edited by Obstructed_View; 03-08-2011 at 08:20 AM. Reason: Forgot Derrick Rose was white.
Agreed on both points. Total logjam. Lots of talented guys, lots of guys putting up numbers, and other guys putting up wins. There's any number of ways to go. My first draft had Williams on first team, and he just kept getting bumped down.
Not really agreeing with anyone here, but let me get this straight. So it's foolish for someone to say that Rose>Kobe because of MVP voting? And it's also foolish for someone to overlook Love because of PER ...Uh, thanks, Kobefan, but most of this year's MVP voters disagree with you. Nice job on understanding how all-NBA teams work. There are a lot of people out there who will tell you Rose is as much a shooting guard as point guard. I pasted the text from someone else's post and changed the names, so if it's really important to you that I go back and remove the specific designations, I think I'll just ask you to pretend they aren't there.
So let me get this straight: You just got done saying that Kobe is better than the current frontrunner for league MVP, and in addition to that, Gasol is better than the leader of the best team in the league as well as the guy who leads the league in rebounds, is third in PER, and has a historic record of double doubles. AND in addition to that, you're suggesting that Bynum should be the second team center? I know Sunday's win was big for your team's confidence, but you should probably pump the brakes.
Again, I'm really happy for your March playoff victory, but the all NBA teams are season-long awards, and Duncan's production hasn't dropped off; his minutes have. He's putting up very good defensive numbers despite not playing very many minutes, and oh by the way his team has the best record in the league. If it's any consolation, I'm sure Gasol and Bynum are right up there for Player of the Game on Sunday.
And one last thought: No ing way Gasol makes the list over Dirk. No ing way. I feel bad enough putting him on the third team.
So let's recap: Laker fan wants three players on the first or second team, and thinks ONE member each of the teams with the two best records in the league is too many. I keep being surprised at how giddy a regular season win can make the fans of a two time defending champion.
But kobe has a far superior PER to rose. how does that make sense? I am not saying you are wrong. But your argument is very inconsistent and on a very shaky foundation. You cant pick and choose when PER matters and when MVP media voting matters IN THE SAME FREAKING THREAD/ARGUMENT and expect people to take you seriously...
LOL rondo and rose as the starting backcourt whomever put that is just as silly as the whomever posted the "Laker edition" of the ALL NBA teams ...
BTW ...
G Rose
G Kobe
F Lebron
F Dirk
C Dwight
G Wade
G Westbrook
F Durant
F Amare
C Pau (no really good choices here so I'll cheat)
G Rondo
G Manu (I initially said montae Ellis)
F Melo
F Love
F/C Blake Not a center but I'll cheat
this last group is my all stat team ... EXCEPT Manu but I don't see how you can NOT have a spur on this team ...and the other guys have put up too good of numbers to ignore ...Id rather blake get nod than Nene or any lessor player ...
The first team is pretty much decided at this point, unless someone goes through a major rampage or slump in the last month:
PG Rose
SG Bryant
SF LeBron
PF Dirk (If he doesn't get injured he is probably frontrunner for the MVP, it will be a no brainer, and the other key compe or is Durant who had his struggles especially early this season)
C Howard
With the exception of the PG position I think the second team is decided as well
PG Westbrook (CP3 and Deron could be here I guess but Westbrook has had in my view a more impactful season)
SG Wade
SF Durant
PF Amare
C Gasol (no other good one to put here, and Gasol probably had his best period playing center)
Third team, I guess you could put a lot more names here
PG CP3
SG Ginobili
F Love
F Griffin
C LaMarcus Aldrige
I think it's fair to mention the last three for the amazing seasons they've had.
Honorable mentions: Nash (having his best PER season ever), Rondo (leading in assists), Z-Bo (leading a severely underrated Memphis back to the playoffs), Parker, Melo, Al Horford (for becoming arguably the most important player in that Atlanta team)
good to know that someone was posting pretty much same stuff i was at the same time
Just give me one f*in reason to put Duncan on 2nd team and Dirk on 3rd...Seriously..
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