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    We disagree. I can only go along with things on the line of "the morning after pill." People need to learn responsibility for their actions. Sometimes, the hardest lessons in life are the best ones.

    "Learn responsibility for their actions" in that context is a euphemism for punishing them for having sex. Funny, considering the uproar over Obama's comments about not wanting his girls to be punished for a mistake. I guess you both believe that having a baby can be punishment for having sex.

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    "Learn responsibility for their actions" in that context is a euphemism for punishing them for having sex. Funny, considering the uproar over Obama's comments about not wanting his girls to be punished for a mistake. I guess you both believe that having a baby can be punishment for having sex.
    I don't say this for belief of punishment, but rather the sanc y of innocent life. May as well give 14 year olds guns without instructing them how to use them if that's all the better you value life.

    We all need to learn responsibility for our actions. If a girl or woman doesn't want to raise a child, there are plenty of families out there who want to adopt newborns.

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    I don't say this for belief of punishment, but rather the sanc y of innocent life. May as well give 14 year olds guns without instructing them how to use them if that's all the better you value life.

    We all need to learn responsibility for our actions. If a girl or woman doesn't want to raise a child, there are plenty of families out there who want to adopt newborns.
    and yet you would happily shoot children crossing the border.

    innocent life.

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    and yet you would happily shoot children crossing the border.

    innocent life.
    It becomes a deterrent once it starts taking place. Don't need to target children, the parents would stop trying to bring them across. Once the words out, it would radically slow down illegal immigration.

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    lol creed.

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    The child in the womb is an unique individual. In the general course of nature that child will live a long life. Yes, it is dependent on the mother. It's also dependent on others for its survival outside the womb.

    A majority of Americans are personally opposed to abortion, and IIRC, a majority are in favor of the status quo WRT abortion's legality. Naturally, Americans have an aversion to the interjection of the state into family life, though that's a fading instinct which will be gone in a generation.

    Abortion, as it is practiced, results in the termination of non-white individuals at rates far in excess of those of whites. A reality in which white "progressives" clamor for the support of an organization which purposely locates itself in majority, poor non-white neighborhoods to exterminate large numbers of non-white children would seem like a Klansman's fantasy come true. Jesse Jackson once thought so until his patrons didn't want to hear that anymore.

    In American culture, new life is ultimately seen as an additional material cost, a limitation on an individual's freedom, rather than a blessing, and this cuts across many socioeconomic groups. As it relates to public policy, abortion is a de facto method to manage the poor population.

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    The abortion issue is the Republicans biggest albatross. They need to get over it. R vs. W never will or should be overturned. They need to just shut the up and forget about. Bottom line, it's a terrible decision to have to make, but it's every persons right to make that decision for themselves.
    I'd say it's not just abortion. It's the republicans entire social agenda.

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    Americans don't want to live for anyone other than themselves. The revolution is complete.

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    It becomes a deterrent once it starts taking place. Don't need to target children, the parents would stop trying to bring them across. Once the words out, it would radically slow down illegal immigration.
    I agree, TBH. If they had to risk their lives to come over they might reevaluate their decisions!

    http://jacqui.instablogs.com/entry/f...l-immigration/

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    The child in the womb is an unique individual. In the general course of nature that child will live a long life. Yes, it is dependent on the mother. It's also dependent on others for its survival outside the womb.

    A majority of Americans are personally opposed to abortion, and IIRC, a majority are in favor of the status quo WRT abortion's legality. Naturally, Americans have an aversion to the interjection of the state into family life, though that's a fading instinct which will be gone in a generation.

    Abortion, as it is practiced, results in the termination of non-white individuals at rates far in excess of those of whites. A reality in which white "progressives" clamor for the support of an organization which purposely locates itself in majority, poor non-white neighborhoods to exterminate large numbers of non-white children would seem like a Klansman's fantasy come true. Jesse Jackson once thought so until his patrons didn't want to hear that anymore.

    In American culture, new life is ultimately seen as an additional material cost, a limitation on an individual's freedom, rather than a blessing, and this cuts across many socioeconomic groups. As it relates to public policy, abortion is a de facto method to manage the poor population.
    Really? This is your stance? Abortion is there to keep the brown people in check? Amazing.

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    That's the result, is it not?

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    It is what it is. I don't remember seeing any planed parenthood offices out in Stone Oak...

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    It's a less messy issue when the discussion is about it being an ethereal right to choose rather than the poor woman's preferred choice of birth control, promoted by a putatively forward thinking organization.

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    Really? This is your stance? Abortion is there to keep the brown people in check? Amazing.
    I ran across this perception too, from people. many are in agreement that poor families are actually targeted by the likes of planned parenthood. The end result is blacks get far more abortions per capita than whites. Racist intent or not, it does cull the black population more than any other.

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    MB, you and I don't see eye to eye on very many things but the idea that abortion is a white progressive's method of keeping the brown people in check is one of the weirdest stances you've ever come up with.

    If the abortion numbers do support your stance, and I don't know because I've never looked at a demographic breakdown, then I think you need a refresher on causation and correlation. If minorities are having more abortions than whites (and this seems reasonable to be quite honest) then it likely has more to do with increased birth rates stemming from several factors including poverty, lower education levels, etc etc.

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    It is what it is. I don't remember seeing any planed parenthood offices out in Stone Oak...
    It'd lower the property value, CC

    It's funny. Everytime I go home from work I always get a chuckle out of this one strip mall square I pass by. There's a bar on one side, a planned parenthood on another and a weight watchers on the other. Interpret how you'd like.

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    it's a less messy issue when the discussion is about it being an ethereal right to choose rather than the poor woman's preferred choice of birth control, promoted by a putatively forward thinking organization.
    promoted?

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    Your implying there are no abortions done in Stone Oak?

    Thats like saying I don't see any Kia Dealerships out in Stone Oak so no one there must drive a car.

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    Your implying there are no abortions done in Stone Oak?

    Thats like saying I don't see any Kia Dealerships out in Stone Oak so no one there must drive a car.
    I didn't imply anything. I thought we were discussing planned parenthood targeting minorities?

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    MB, you and I don't see eye to eye on very many things but the idea that abortion is a white progressive's method of keeping the brown people in check is one of the weirdest stances you've ever come up with.

    If the abortion numbers do support your stance, and I don't know because I've never looked at a demographic breakdown, then I think you need a refresher on causation and correlation. If minorities are having more abortions than whites (and this seems reasonable to be quite honest) then it likely has more to do with increased birth rates stemming from several factors including poverty, lower education levels, etc etc.
    Consider the state run and paid for clinics. Anyplace you go, you have unwritten rules. Statistically, a black child will have a far greater chance of being a tax burden than a white child. especially from a the poorer people who generally use state run agencies. I honestly believe myself that there is more racial bias among liberals than conservatives. They just never show it, and you rarely ever see anyone show true signs of racism. It's almost always manufactured, or perceived. Anyway, someone who is in those decision making positions have a unique opportunity to use their racism if they have it. I would not attempt to quantify it, I just understand that people abuse positions of power, and this is the perfect place for a racist. I believe most the decisions are based on financial outlook rather than racism however. This is a prejudice, but that's not the same as racism.

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    Pretty interesting readings if you look up the history of Planned Parenthood and it's kind founder, Margaret Sanger.

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    You brought up planned parenthood. MB brought up abortion being a white progressives method of keeping the brown people in check.

    Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit, CC. They're in those neighborhoods not to target, as you put it, but rather because thats where the people need access to low cost services. The people in Stone Oak just go to their OB GYN.

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    Pretty interesting readings if you look up the history of Planned Parenthood and it's kind founder, Margaret Sanger.
    Oh...

    I completely forgot to mention that .

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