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GGA,
Do you have data that contradicts those statements?
Rep. Peter T. King, R-N.Y., told radio talk host Sean Hannity in an interview Monday no American Muslim leaders are cooperating in the war on terror.
"I would say, you could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists," he said. "Those who are in control. The average Muslim, no, they are loyal, but they don't work, they don't come forward, they don't tell the police … ."In the interview with Hannity, King criticized a mosque in Westbury, N.Y., which he accused of failing to adequately condemn terrorism.
Hannity asked King to confirm he was saying 85 percent of mosques in America are "ruled by the extremists."
"Yes," he replied, "and I can get you the do entation on that from experts in the field. Talk to a Steve Emerson, talk to a [Daniel] Pipes, talk to any of those. They will tell you. It's a real issue … . I'll stand by that number of 85 percent. This is an enemy living amongst us."
King said while most American Muslims are loyal to this country, "They won't turn in their own. They won't tell what's going on in the mosques. They won't come forward and cooperate with the police."
GGA,
Do you have data that contradicts those statements?
Shouldn't the person/person who support the statements be the one to provide the data to back it up? I am calling on those who support those statements to back them up..
Or is this one of those " prove you don't have them' deals?
Not his burden of proof.
The claim is that of the congressman, who is, almost certainly, pulling that figure out of his ass.
"Darrin has sex with goats."
"Do you have data that contradicts that statement?"
"Well, no."
"See there you go, it is a perfectly reasonable statement."
But back on point:
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/10/134374...uslim-question"It's perfectly legitimate to investigate radicalism," says Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. "There has been an increase in people drawn to these movements, and there has been a rapidity to their radicalization — though their numbers remain infinitesimal."
For his part, Lieberman has noted an acceleration of domestic incidents: Of 46 cases of "attempted homegrown Islamist terrorism" in the U.S. between 2001 and December 2009, he says, 13 occurred in 2009.
But the "community dimension" of King's hearing — formally led "The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community's Response" — makes Hoffman, and others, uncomfortable.
That aspect of the hearings, Hoffman says, "might not be warranted by the facts."
The facts may argue the opposite, suggests expert Christopher Hewitt, author of Understanding Terrorism in America.
Hewitt, who tracks domestic terrorism plots, says most of the people who have been caught "have been caught by people in the mosques dropping a dime."
"I'm not sure what King thinks his shtick is going to be — who's he beating up?" says Hewitt, who, like Hoffman, has no argument with the congressman's efforts to look at the "real danger from Islamic extremists."
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FACT CHECK: Peter King Incorrectly Claims There Were No Neo-Nazi Terror Plots In The Past Two Years
KING: There is no equivalency of threat between Al Qaeda and neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, and other isolated madmen. [...] Indeed, by the Justice Department’s own record, not one terror-related case in the last two years involved neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, or anti-war groups.
Justin Vieira, 29, of 101 Bogle St., also is accused of threatening neighbors with a rifle. [...] Vieira is charged with kidnapping, assault with a dangerous weapon, bomb threat, disturbing the peace while armed, assault and battery and resisting arrest. [...] Lt. David A. Gouveia said officers Jon Rose, James Donovan and Sgt. Roger Lafleur responded to the area of 101 Bogle St. at about 12:40 a.m. for a report of a man wearing camouflage clothing and waving a rifle. “The male was involved in a domestic incident with his girlfriend and was now threatening neighbors with the rifle,” Gouveia said. [...] “Vieira hung a Nazi flag out the window, started barricading the doors, shouted ‘Heil Hitler’ and turned off the lights,” Gouveia said.
Veiera’s threatened terror plot joins those by four other Neo-Nazis or Neo-Nazi sympathizers since September 2009.
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/10/...ing-lies-nazi/
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Repugs NEVER pass up a chance to LIE.
King comes from blue-collar district, the NY equivalent of TX's bubba districts. This hearing, 10 years after 9/11, is his vengeance on behalf of his district that lost and knew those who were lost on 9/11. King is pandering to hate and vengeance, and upping his rep as a badass.
It's about regular Muslims.
I want to know why you aren't coming forward and telling law enforcement everything we know you have to know about white supremacist and Christian terrorist plots, Darrin.
The nation demands an explanation.
And Darrin did nothing to warn us about any of them or bring the terrorists to justice.
It is clear Darrin hates America.
He's right tho. We can spot neo-Nazis and crazy Liberals with ease, but those sneaky Islamofascists can be anywhere at any time. If we stop to ask them if they have a bomb in their satchel, that's called "racial profiling." It's a lose-lose situation for the security apparatus.
Also, neo-Nazis use guns and go after government targets and black people...known targets. Muslims want to kill everyone, everywhere, and use bombs (not just guns). Bigger threat? You tell me, Americaland!
Peter King born 1944 is a baby boomer.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51005.html
Peter King's hearings are not the first. In fact, there have been 22 other hearings on radicalization of American Muslims in the last five years.
For chumpy's benefit, the le of this one is “The Extent of Radicalization in the American Muslim Community and that Community’s Response”.
So it's about normal Muslims like I said.
You still have yet to answer why you don't snitch on the neo-nazis, Darrin. You should be hauled before Congress, traitor.
I don't congregate with nazis.
Perfunctory denials aren't going to help you, traitor.
Peter King's Secret Terrorism-Loving History
Mr. King's support for the IRA was unequivocal. In 1982, for instance, he told a pro-IRA rally in Nassau County: "We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry."
Those are the good terrorists.
By the mid-1980s, the authorities on both sides of the Atlantic were openly hostile to Mr. King. On one occasion, a judge threw him out of a Belfast courtroom during the murder trial of IRA men because, in the judge's view, "he was an obvious collaborator with the IRA." When he attended other trials, the police singled him out for thorough body searches.
You have yet to denounce them, why is that? Do you sympathize with their cause?
Economist's take on the subject.
It is indeed hard to find much to like in Mr King. The representative for Long Island has approached this most sensitive of subjects with the delicacy of a steamroller, plus an overactive imagination and a generous dollop of prejudice. To be clear: he may not be prejudiced against America’s Muslims (the “overwhelming majority” are “outstanding Americans”, he says) but he long ago prejudged the question his own hearings are supposed to answer, being already firmly of the view that the country’s Muslims are doing too little to counter radicalisation within their ranks. He is the author of a novel, “Vale of Tears”, in which a heroic version of his thinly disguised self busts a home-grown al-Qaeda cell at a Long Island Islamic centre. His own at ude to terrorism, though, is conveniently elastic. In the 1980s this Irish-American Catholic sympathised strongly with the Irish Republican Army, going so far as to compare Gerry Adams, the leader of Sinn Fein, the terrorist group’s political wing, to George Washington.
Beyond these objections to his person, prejudices and past, most of the available evidence suggests that Mr King’s central thesis is overblown, if not flat wrong. Muslim co-operation with the authorities is not perfect, but by most accounts—including those of Robert Mueller, the director of the FBI, and Eric Holder, the attorney-general—the community has in general worked hard to expose terrorist plots in its midst. In one prominent case last year, for instance, five men from northern Virginia who had travelled to Pakistan in search of jihad were convicted after their families tipped off the FBI. The Triangle Centre on Terrorism and Homeland Security, a research group affiliated with Duke University and the University of North Carolina, reported recently that 48 of the 120 Muslims suspected of plotting terror attacks in America since the felling of the twin towers in 2001 were turned in by fellow Muslims.
If there was such a thing as moderate Nazis, and I was one of them, this question that you and ChumpDip keep bringing up might be valid.
Bottom line, it's not the subject matter (there have been 22 other hearings on radicalization of American Muslims in the last five years), but WHO is holding them.
Ok then. Who held the other 22 hearings and what did they say?
Did they pull statistics from thin air like Peter King?
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