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    I believe we need a tax that affects everyone. I have mentioned the social tax before. How about reducing income taxes, and reducing sales taxes in states with no income tax. Them implement a low rate of taxing all gross income. No exceptions, no credits, etc. A strait small percentage from everyone. Then as government revenue needs to increase or decrease, we increase or decrease this new tax. A tax that affects everyone, so that they will be more conscience of the spending habits of the people they elect to office.
    Sales tax does affect everyone, you goddamn idiot.

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    Sales tax does affect everyone, you goddamn idiot.
    Not proportionally.

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    if you make more you pay more.. not proportionally..

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    Wow.

    This guy needs to grab a set of political balls from Truman's grave and be a leader.

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    Didn't read the thread but UGH. Seriously, I would have rather had any other Republican, even though I generally vote Democrat.

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    One tough grandma called it four years ago:

    http://www.window.state.tx.us/news/60515letter.html
    Last edited by Winehole23; 03-11-2011 at 03:33 PM. Reason: correction fail, corrected

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    Wow. Nice find.

    I did hear on the radio this morning that Perry might be easing up on his opposition to touching the rainy day fund.

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    Not proportionally.
    yep, a flat tax is highly regressive, seriously affecting the poor, while nary a blip on the wealthy.

    Euro countries with 18%+ VAT have very generous income tax deductions for the poor to compensate for the regressiveness.

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    WC, are you calling for a pure, across the board sales tax or one with exemptions for the necessities of life and/or some kind of standard exemption (for example, the first $20K of annual expenditures)?

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    Anyways, the rainy day fund, funded by prior taxes, would seem to be the obvious source to cover those state expenditures deemed essential, and a way to mitigate a harsh upward ratchet in taxes in the near term.

    Perry's electoral success in the face of his unpopularity stems from his willingness to offer what a majority want. Or, everyone loves to dump on his buffonish ways, while they want the limitations he seeks on state expenditures and taxation.

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    Pretty much. Perry's got Texas politics figured out. Be a loud, angry, white guy in the republican primary because loud, angry, white guys are the only ones who bother to vote in republican primaries. Then in the general election just shut up knowing that while independents and moderate republicans may not like you, they can't bring themselves to vote for a democrat.
    You broke the code!!!

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    Pretty much. Perry's got Texas politics figured out. Be a loud, angry, white guy in the republican primary because loud, angry, white guys are the only ones who bother to vote in republican primaries.
    If only Howard Dean had been a republican

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    Luckily, spending on education is non-essential.

    Besides, if we did away with this parasitic mentality -- if people would just send their kids to private schools and drive commerce in that way -- the State wouldn't be facing problems like this one. Seriously.

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    Luckily, spending on education is non-essential.

    Besides, if we did away with this parasitic mentality -- if people would just send their kids to private schools and drive commerce in that way -- the State wouldn't be facing problems like this one. Seriously.
    Not everybody can afford to send their kids to private schools. Maybe you can, but not everyone can.

    If you are honestly proposing doing away with public education, then I guess you wouldn't mind living in a 3rd-world country where a large percentage of the population can't read or write.

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    So are we up for increased property taxes and a state personal income tax, or is that just for the other guy?

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    Not everybody can afford to send their kids to private schools. Maybe you can, but not everyone can.

    If you are honestly proposing doing away with public education, then I guess you wouldn't mind living in a 3rd-world country where a large percentage of the population can't read or write.
    ...or detect sarcasm, apparently.

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    It'd be great if the government gave everyone their own house and a few acres. Problem is, Santa Claus can't be counted on to provide the funds.

    So until a majority is willing to pony up, all this pious angst is for naught.

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    Not everybody can afford to send their kids to private schools. Maybe you can, but not everyone can.

    If you are honestly proposing doing away with public education, then I guess you wouldn't mind living in a 3rd-world country where a large percentage of the population can't read or write.

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    ...or detect sarcasm, apparently.
    if that exact post, word for word, had come from WC I would have taken him seriously.

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    ...or detect sarcasm, apparently.
    yup yup

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    If only Howard Dean had been a republican
    Give Dean a campaign platform even further to the right and he'd probably be able to give Perry a run for his money.

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    So are we up for increased property taxes and a state personal income tax, or is that just for the other guy?
    I'm up for using the "rainy day fund", then across the board cuts to make up the difference. Raise the state sales tax .25 or .50 and dedicate those funds specifically to rebuilding the "rainy day fund". When an agreed upon threshold is met...maybe 15 billion?...that sales tax increase goes away.

    As for being an unfair tax? Most "necessary for life" items are already exempt from the tax...

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    yep, a flat tax is highly regressive, seriously affecting the poor, while nary a blip on the wealthy.

    Euro countries with 18%+ VAT have very generous income tax deductions for the poor to compensate for the regressiveness.
    Why do you hate the people who have enough money to provide work for others?

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    WC, are you calling for a pure, across the board sales tax or one with exemptions for the necessities of life and/or some kind of standard exemption (for example, the first $20K of annual expenditures)?
    Necessities are excluded. I said that before. Even today, sales taxes exclude food. That's why when DMX7 said "Sales tax does affect everyone, you goddamn idiot," I said not proportionally.

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    Besides Marcus, i wasn't calling for a sales tax in this thread, but a social tax. Like social security. Everyone pays the same percentage, from dollar 1.

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