This is why I respect the out of Kobe

[Giuseppe]

He's the Culburn of Heat fans.

That's acceptable. Your mother is in clear, Gordon.

[cobbler]

I can never respect a guy like Kobe. This is nothing but a PR move and you have to be an idiot to think otherwise. What's he trying to prove?


Kobe's shooting wasn't even the reason the Lakers lost the game, it was his desire to outscore Wade or Lebron that caused the Lakers another crucial game

Then you could be like best buds in the non respected class of 2011 since absolutely nobody has any respect for your sorry ass.

[D-Wade #3]

Then you could be like best buds in the non respected class of 2011 since absolutely nobody has any respect for your sorry ass.

oh , cobbler with the weakSAUCE!

[Ashy Larry]

Really? How can the Lakers play the Spurs in the NBA finals when they're both in the Western Conference?

The Real NBA Finals of 2001 was the WCF. Whomever was coming out of the series between the Spurs and Lakers w3re gonna donkeystomp the Sixers. Best player on the floor (MVP), wasn't Shaquille, wasn't Duncan, wasn't Robinson ..... it was Bean

[ChrisRichards]

and Lebron is not?

I dont give a about Lebron TBH, I'm more of a Wade fan to begin with. Yeah Lebron does like this for attention too, difference though is Lebron backs his up.


Now, I heard KObe practiced 3 times yesterday, twice before the game last night . TBH, like that makes you want to respect the guy but he ended up shooting 38% with a key turnover . I mean come on, its one thing if the guy does like this and is able to prove his critics wrong but its another if you try to portray yourself as this "warrior/og/workhorse" but shoots worst than Mike Bibby.


If Kobe wanted to prove a point, he shouldv'e played Phil Jackson basketball and made his teammates better. People would respect him more.

[cobbler]

I dont give a about Lebron TBH, I'm more of a Wade fan to begin with. Yeah Lebron does like this for attention too, difference though is Lebron backs his up.


Now, I heard KObe practiced 3 times yesterday, twice before the game last night . TBH, like that makes you want to respect the guy but he ended up shooting 38% with a key turnover . I mean come on, its one thing if the guy does like this and is able to prove his critics wrong but its another if you try to portray yourself as this "warrior/og/workhorse" but shoots worst than Mike Bibby.


If Kobe wanted to prove a point, he shouldv'e played Phil Jackson basketball and made his teammates better. People would respect him more.

Curious... what was Wades shooting % in his vastly superior performance?

[ChrisRichards]

oh , cobbler with the weakSAUCE!

Word

Curious... what was Wades shooting % in his vastly superior performance?

Dude, Wade wasn't the one looking for attention with his pre/post workout routines/gimmick. Kobe did a great defensive job on Wade I'll give Kobe that but you don't see Wade making a big deal out of his struggles.


He made some clutch shots, deflected and stole a crucial possesion and blocked Kobe's shot all in a span of 5 possessions. At the end of the day, Wade complimented Kobe by saying he had a hard time stopping one of the greatest players instead of talking about WHAT HE DID in the final minute. That's some basketball if you ask me.


Hate on Lebron for being a clown, but you can never hate on Wade for always coming up huge when the Heat needs him.

[Cry Havoc]

Hey Cry... still waiting on that contested off ballance proof btw. Or are you willing to admit you exagerated quite a bit?

http://www.nba.com/video/games/heat/...nba/index.html

Watch the vid.

So yeah, a pull up jumper off the dribble from 29 feet out is something you're comfortable with Kobe taking. That's all anyone needs to know as to your opinion of Kobe's shot selection.

[Giuseppe]

Me too. I have no problem with Kobe's shot.

[Cry Havoc]

Me too. I have no problem with Kobe's shot.

Shocking.

Just curious, if that's a good shot, why don't you want him taking 29 footers all game long? Kobe can get a shot from that far out anytime he wants. If it's such a good shot, why not have him heave-ho from there 5-6 times a game?

[cobbler]

Shocking.

Just curious, if that's a good shot, why don't you want him taking 29 footers all game long? Kobe can get a shot from that far out anytime he wants. If it's such a good shot, why not have him heave-ho from there 5-6 times a game?

There was 20 secs left on the clock down by 4 with no time outs. PJ himself said he blew it by not leaving any TO's. It was an acceptable shot considering the cir stances. If you truly wanted to argue a questionable one you should have chose the corner 3 with 1 sec off the shot clock.


so lets recap your little rant....

Here we have Kobe shooting from NEARLY HALF COURT...

Gotta wonder how it felt to be wearing a Lakers jersey in the waning seconds of that game as Kobe rose to shoot from nearly half court with 20 seconds remaining.

Except he missed. Badly. He lost a game for his team that his TEAM had been in all along. He chucked in the 2nd half and lost the game for his team, and even then they kept it close until he buried them with a 30 footer that had a ton of time left on the clock.

lets see... now he MISSED IT BADLY when it was dead on and simply came up a tad short hitting the front of the rim.

And now all of a sudden 20 seconds with no times outs and down 4 is A TON OF TIME.

followed by this

That shot was about as low as can be on the IQ scale. Off balance, with a defender right there, not even a set shot. Just a chuck.

As you have seen no defender was right there. He was NOT OFF BALANCE, and it was a perfectly acceptable jump shot off of BOTH PLANTED FEET.

Sure is a lot of wavering going on there Cry. And you standby these comments after actually watching that shot? Whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Cry Havoc]

There was 20 secs left on the clock down by 4 with no time outs. PJ himself said he blew it by not leaving any TO's. It was an acceptable shot considering the cir stances. If you truly wanted to argue a questionable one you should have chose the corner 3 with 1 sec off the shot clock.


so lets recap your little rant....

Here we have Kobe shooting from NEARLY HALF COURT...

You're right. 29 feet is an everyday shot. Tantamount to a layup, even. What, it's only 5+ feet behind the 3 point line.

lets see... now he MISSED IT BADLY when it was dead on and simply came up a tad short hitting the front of the rim.

ANY shot you take from long range that you miss is a bad miss. This is because you have to put so much energy into the ball that if you miss, it is going to carom badly, making it almost impossible to give your big men a chance for a rebound and quick put back.

And now all of a sudden 20 seconds with no times outs and down 4 is A TON OF TIME.

You're right. Most teams would have shot a 35 footer in this situation to save even more time.

It's a 2 possession game. 20 seconds. You're telling me the Lakers can't get a good shot, foul, then get the ball up the court and get another shot off in the ~15 seconds they'd have left on the clock? That's over half of a possession.

followed by this

As you have seen no defender was right there. He was NOT OFF BALANCE, and it was a perfectly acceptable jump shot off of BOTH PLANTED FEET.

You got me. He wasn't off balance, it was just a 29 foot shot off the dribble. Brilliant shot. High percentage.

Sure is a lot of wavering going on there Cry. And you standby these comments after actually watching that shot? Whatever floats your boat I guess.

And you can watch that footage and still say it's a good shot?

It's fun to watch you torpedo any reputation you have left as knowledgeable about the game just to save Kobe's performance by defending his chucking.

[hitmanyr2k]

You do know why they called for the quick 3 right? You do know that the Lakers had 0 time outs left right? There was nothing wrong with that shot at that time considering they were down 4 with no TO's and on the road.

Why do you keep saying this stupid ? 25 seconds is an eternity in the NBA with or without timeouts

If the Lakers go for the quick two and score they use up 5-7 seconds max. That leaves 18-20 seconds left in the game. An intentional foul uses up 2-3 seconds at best. So that leaves 15-17 seconds left to work with. You're telling me the Lakers suck so much they can't get a quality shot with 15+ seconds left because they're out of timeouts? That's bull

Miami was on a 5 game losing streak with critical blunders in all of those games (including missed free throws) down the stretch. The last place any of those Heat players wanted to be was on the foul line in another tight game with the basketball world watching. Kobe and his non-existent b-ball IQ bailed them out with that idiotic shot. The funny part is Kobe had the WHOLE right side cleared out with Wade one on one and he didn't even try to take him.

[Killakobe81]

Ugh, stupid article. I stopped reading after he said like half a dozen times that the Heat were a legit contender LA should be worried about. LA has to worry about a lot of teams in the West, and Miami has to worry about a lot of teams in the East first.

Bottom line is it wasn't about taking and missing shots, it was about poor shot selection, and you don't need to practice for that.

PM5K ...gets it.

[cobbler]

You're right. 29 feet is an everyday shot. Tantamount to a layup, even. What, it's only 5+ feet behind the 3 point line.

Cry... you're making up now. I never said it was an everyday shot. I said it was acceptable in that situation to take it. It was. You have changes your tune several times here and you still just dont grasp it.

ANY shot you take from long range that you miss is a bad miss. This is because you have to put so much energy into the ball that if you miss, it is going to carom badly, making it almost impossible to give your big men a chance for a rebound and quick put back.

And yet the Lakers got the rebound and would have retained possesion had Lebron not been lucky enough to get away with the flop. Go figure.

You're right. Most teams would have shot a 35 footer in this situation to save even more time.

No, PJ called the play to get the first available open shot. Thats what they got and it almost went. Some times they do...sometimes not.

It's a 2 possession game. 20 seconds. You're telling me the Lakers can't get a good shot, foul, then get the ball up the court and get another shot off in the ~15 seconds they'd have left on the clock? That's over half of a possession.

Think about it Cry... now you are banking on the Heat missing ALL their free throws? Hitting that 3 would have put them in a position to possibly get in two fouls and try to get the ball upcourt an in the basket. If he passes the ball or drives for the two... its down to 15 second or less. If you trully think about it you will see that there is no doubt hundreds of ways this could have turned out. But that 3 at the top was not the outlandish shot you are mking it out to be. As I said before... you should have chosen the corner 3 that he says he got fouled on and you wouldn't have got an agument.

You got me. He wasn't off balance, it was just a 29 foot shot off the dribble. Brilliant shot. High percentage.

Never said it was a high percentage shot. Just that your uncontested, off balance chuck comments werent at all accurate. And they weren't. Not quite sure how you got to that point where you just imagine stuff that never existed.

And you can watch that footage and still say it's a good shot? It's fun to watch you torpedo any reputation you have left as knowledgeable about the game just to save Kobe's performance by defending his chucking.

I'm defending his chucking at all. Kobe takes a lot of ill advised shots. It's no secret. I just posted that his corner 3 wasnt the brightest. I still contend that going for the 3 with 20 left and no times outs is a viable option in that situation on the road. And I could honestly care less what you think of my BBall knowledge. It is what it is...

[Cry Havoc]

Why do you keep saying this stupid ? 25 seconds is an eternity in the NBA with or without timeouts

If the Lakers go for the quick two and score they use up 5-7 seconds max. That leaves 18-20 seconds left in the game. An intentional foul uses up 2-3 seconds at best. So that leaves 15-17 seconds left to work with. You're telling me the Lakers suck so much they can't get a quality shot with 15+ seconds left because they're out of timeouts? That's bull

Miami was on a 5 game losing streak with critical blunders in all of those games (including missed free throws) down the stretch. The last place any of those Heat players wanted to be was on the foul line in another tight game with the basketball world watching. Kobe and his non-existent b-ball IQ bailed them out with that idiotic shot. The funny part is Kobe had the WHOLE right side cleared out with Wade one on one and he didn't even try to take him.

The goods right here. Pretty concise.

[cobbler]

The goods right here. Pretty concise.

Sure if you wanna bank on a team missing all there FT's at home. Im just loving how you guys have so much respect for the Lakers that you feel they can run the whole floor for two posessions in 15 seconds and no TO's all the while knowing the Heat will brick their freebies.

I guess well just agree to disagree...

[Cry Havoc]

Sure if you wanna bank on a team missing all there FT's at home. Im just loving how you guys have so much respect for the Lakers that you feel they can run the whole floor for two posessions in 15 seconds and no TO's all the while knowing the Heat will brick their freebies.

I guess well just agree to disagree...

You're down 4.

You make a 2.

Foul them.

They miss a free throw and make one.

You're down 3 with 15 seconds to play.

How is that counting on the Heat to miss all their freethrows?

The World Champs can't get a good look at a 3 in 15 seconds?

[cobbler]

You're down 4.

You make a 2.

Foul them.

They miss a free throw and make one.

You're down 3 with 15 seconds to play.

How is that counting on the Heat to miss all their freethrows?

The World Champs can't get a good look at a 3 in 15 seconds?

ok... first off you are assuming you make the 2 to begin with. Second, now your assuming they miss one. And now you have to travel the floor with full court pressure and get off a 3? And you think that 3 is going to somehow be a better look than the one he got uncontested? Not to mention that the Heat could just foul and limit you to two possibilities. So they chose to take the 3 upfront and if it had fallen they would have had a much better chance of staying in the game, on the road, trading free throws.

So yes you are correct and they could have only missed one to begin with and follow that up with the perfect storm for the tie. There is an old adage in sports... at home you go for the tie, and on the road the win.

Again, you can call it either way and go with that strategy. I personally would have done what the Lakers tried and got the 3 out of the way up front, especially if it presented itself with a makable uncontested attempt. Regardless, to say trying that approach is stupid with the cir stances at hand is just silly. It's a viable solution that many coaches would take.