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Aw c'mon Manny. A defined benefits pension plan the employee only paid 1% of? Medical insurance they only paid 6% of? Thats an unbelievably generous benefits package...I challenge you to find a package like that anywhere in the private sector...
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Aw c'mon Manny. A defined benefits pension plan the employee only paid 1% of? Medical insurance they only paid 6% of? Thats an unbelievably generous benefits package...I challenge you to find a package like that anywhere in the private sector...
If benefits are outrageous, state governments should have no problem building opposition to unreasonable union demands in the court of public opinion. Public pressure is not binding, obviously, but it's still a powerful tactic.
I think many people rightly see stripping the unions of their bargaining power as an unnecessary overreach, if they even know that's what this was about to begin with.
I don't know if I'd come even close to calling that outrageous especially when considering that public employee compensation is usually put like that to lower the up front costs. In other words, they make less in Salary than private sector employees and make up for it in pension packages etc.
Except that's a pretty insignificant bull.
That's part of your compensation, numb nuts.
Here we go again.
Then the rational thing for those teachers to do now would be to quit teaching and go get "overpaid" in the private sector. Fat chance of that happening.
Did I say it wasn't, illiterate numb nuts?
Actually the rational thing for those teachers to do now is to do what I said above. Work to recall and then repeal. Which is whats going to happen.
FIFY
This is a rather good example of confirmation bias in action.
If one is realistic, one MUST acknowledge there are things that Democrats can do that will rile up the Republican base and vice versa.
In saying this is insignificant, you are ignoring some fairly objective measures that say it is, especially to Democrats and independents.
Your ideological blinders filter out this information, because you don't like it, leading you to say it is insignificant, because it being so benefits you and validates your worldview as the "correct" one.
You do this constantly. It is so obvious to everybody but you, and maybe bizarro boutons.
I say this without any acrimony. For some reason this appears not to bother you, so I guess it is just part of the landscape at this point.
I guess it doesn't bother you, but come to think of it, I don't know.
Doesn't it bother you that you so strongly and subconciously filter out information that might contradict your pre-existing beliefs?
Essentially you aren't getting a true picture of reality because of it, and come to a lot of false conclusions.
No actually you didn't say that at all. It was pretty clear to me you meant that pensions were part of compensation.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
That didn't really answer my question.
Doesn't it bother you that you so obviously are filtering out information that you don't agree with in coming to conclusions?
Doesn't that indicate to you some fault in your thinking?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158758
In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds.
In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger.
The problem is that sometimes the things they think they know are objectively, provably false. And in the presence of the correct information, such people react very, very differently than the merely uninformed. Instead of changing their minds to reflect the correct information, they can entrench themselves even deeper.
“The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,” says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon — known as “backfire” — is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance.”
The people of Wisconsin will prove if you are right. I won't lose sleep either way.
Reality will win out, but that wasn't my point.
You seem to be so obviously ignoring some pretty relavant data here.
Not trying to be hostile or snarky at all. I am just curious to see if you were cognizant of how you just filtered out some fairly important data.
It seems not. You not only don't seem to acknowledge this, you keep changing the subject, as if it is uncomfortable to even think about.
Fascinating.
I keep hearing -- from both, the right and the left -- about these "collective bargaining rights." When did collective bargaining become a right?
wow you're an idiot.
Now that the public employees of Wisconsin will have to actually cut a check for their dues, it'll be interesting to see how many remain union members.
Some of the dues are around $1,000 per year ($90 buck a month or so). That'll buy a lot of cheese.
When did the ability to form a corporation become a "right"?
In the weeks ahead there are gonna be plenty of pissed off special interests all over the country as all the states struggle to balance their budgets. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the ever increasing Medicare/Medicaid obligations of the states. Some sacred cows are gonna get slaughtered and thats just the way it is. It's not as much a Republican/Democrat issue as it is just facing economic reality. just can't keep going on like it has in the past.
So far as I know, it's not a right but, a privilege extended through law. But, you didn't answer the question.
Eyup.
The ultimate problem is that our particular form of democracy lends itself to entrenched special interests with money to burn.
Like it or not, that will not change without public financing of campaigns, a particularly hated idea. I am open to any other solutions, if anyone cares to put one out there.
probably because it's a stupid question.
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