What happens when you die?

[rascal]

that's the problem with Christianity and the like.

why did God create Earth to begin with? to torture us first? why not just skip ahead to the Heaven part?

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....

When one talks about love/god/ spirituality...

these things are not explainable or knowable to the human mind...

if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

I won't hold my breath.

Lightning was a 'spiritual' thing at one point.

So was scizophrenia and the sun and the feeling du jour.

I will tell you where I look.

I look in mathematics or more specifically how constructs in my mind can effect things around me with precision.

I look at the relationships that are derived therein. How things that could seemingly be unrelated are very closely related in a very precise manner.

I look to the physics of the last 60 years. Specifically quantum mechanics. I ask myself whether the schroedinger equation implies a mechanic that we have not fully figured out as per Feynmann and the string theory folks or if there is an insight that is lacking similar to Einstein's to Newton.

I look to human behavior and the reductionist models that are becoming more and more complex. Can human behavior be completely explained chemically? If not what does that portend?

These are things that i look to.


Again i view your approach with contempt.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and mathematics is nothing but a construct of the mind. Numbers are simply concepts of the brain to interpret groups of things that are different.

thats the whole point. look into irrational numbers and get back to me.

[silverblk mystix]

Lightning was a 'spiritual' thing at one point.

So was scizophrenia and the sun and the feeling du jour.

I will tell you where I look.

I look in mathematics or more specifically how constructs in my mind can effect things around me with precision.

I look at the relationships that are derived therein. How things that could seemingly be unrelated are very closely related in a very precise manner.

I look to the physics of the last 60 years. Specifically quantum mechanics. I ask myself whether the schroedinger equation implies a mechanic that we have not fully figured out as per Feynmann and the string theory folks or if there is an insight that is lacking similar to Einstein's to Newton.

I look to human behavior and the reductionist models that are becoming more and more complex. Can human behavior be completely explained chemically? If not what does that portend?

These are things that i look to.


Again i view your approach with contempt.

Why would you view my approach with contempt? Interesting.

I view those things you posted above as very interesting. Those things are mechanical and have merit...and eventually they may coincide with god/love/spirituality...and may even lead to a solving of the mystery so-to-speak.

I look at it as ...

Poetry and Mathematics...

The mathematics of Poetry and the poetry of Mathematics....they are in the end- eventually married...

Yet, you cannot marry your mechanical views to my spiritual views...

Interesting.

[mouse]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

Not bad.

I can see this mans point, and i must say it makes sense to a degree.
The problem I have with people who believe in God are those that pray about stupid like.."please God help me find my car keys" or they say like this...don't worry son if you get the Job God wanted you to work there.

What really gets my goat is when someone on a game show like Survivor or the amazing race say "please God help me".... "Help me God find the clue"

I think people like that do more harm than good. They make the serious God loving person look like a fool. Like God is not going to help a lady who has a 3 year old daughter find a liver but he sure has time to make sure Russel finds the hidden immunity idol.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I look at it as ...

Poetry and Mathematics...

The mathematics of Poetry and the poetry of Mathematics....they are in the end- eventually married...

Yet, you cannot marry your mechanical views to my spiritual views...

Interesting.

No, I marry your 'spiritual' views to something quite different.

The difference is that I have emotional responses as well. I am very familiar with experiencing love. I grew up in this culture.

When we are talking about mathematics, i know for a fact you do not know what i am talking about. When you make comments about 2 + 2 = 4 as if that is something meaningful that becomes apparent.

You are 'spirituality' consists of taking things that YOU do not understand, discounting it as unknowable and equating it to love, art and god.

There is no basis for discussion really.

I know what you are doing. I have experienced it being done countless times.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

IOW, its okay if someone else treats you like , let us handle it and God will get them in the end.

And, you better not only act this way, but you better think this way too or God is going to get you.

I hate the christian ethic with God as the boogeyman.

At least you did not go with the God wants us to suffer routine. At least there is that.

This time its okay to make someone suffer if its only for a little while.

I only punched him in the face once officer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not bad.

I can see this mans point, and i must say it makes sense to a degree.
The problem I have with people who believe in God are those that pray about stupid like.."please God help me find my car keys" or they say like this...don't worry son if you get the Job God wanted you to work there.

What really gets my goat is when someone on a game show like Survivor or the amazing race say "please God help me".... "Help me God find the clue"

I think people like that do more harm than good. They make the serious God loving person look like a fool. Like God is not going to help a lady who has a 3 year old daughter find a liver be he has time to make sure Russel finds the hidden immunity idol.

[Blake]

being bored effects everyone no matter how much power or money you have. Why would a "God" be any different?

I thought you were discussing the god of the bible.

you can make up whatever attributes you want regarding your god.

Your amusing I believe in God, second if he supplied water food and air what more needs to be done to care for something. Do you have a pet isn't food ,water, and shelter all you really need to provide? Are you responsible for your pets mind and habits? Should you turn your pet into a puppet?

so is this what you believe or is it just a happy fun story you ripped off from an old twilight zone?

explain right. as reference to historic events? To serve as a guideline for humans to live by? or just something to put in a hotel room for guest to have something to read.

as in the truth, word for word.

[Blake]

If we are talking about material things, mechanical things, math,geometry etc...

these things might be figured out in time....

When one talks about love/god/ spirituality...

these things are not explainable or knowable to the human mind...

if you think that in time god will be knowable...then let me know when you discover it...

I won't hold my breath.

the God of the Bible was knowable to humans.

what God are you talking about?

[Blake]

It is all a test, life that is. Heaven is not just granted it must be earned. All men will be judged not only on their actions but moreso on what is in their hearts.

All suffering is temporary when compared to eternal existance. Lessons can be learned through suffering. Many people have spiritually soared to great heights through suffering of the body.


Suffering is allowed to happen on Earth because it is only temporary. We don't belong here on Earth as God/nature has built in death. Death is viewed as bad by most but for God it is not. It is a coming home event. The separation of a loved one through death will only be temporary. You will be reunited with family and friends in the end.

Death is the final payment for all and it is built in the system of life. Just trust in God/creator that when you reach the final destination all will be good.

cool troll effort bro

[mouse]

I thought you were discussing the god of the bible.

lets both assume there is only one God for sake of argument.
It could help in making this debate move in a timely matter.

you can make up whatever attributes you want regarding your god.

But if my God was God wouldn't that make him Your God?

so is this what you believe or is it just a happy fun story you ripped off from an old twilight zone?

Not every twilight episode was fiction. remember when nuclear war was over that man who survived found all those books? Your saying that could never happen?

as in the truth, word for word.

Well if you think a book should be truthful "word for word" lets start with this one first.

[Blake]

lets both assume there is only one God for sake of argument.
It could help in making this debate move in a timely matter.

so I made a correct assumption that you believe in God.

why did you call me out on that earlier?

But if my God was God wouldn't that make him Your God?

prove his existence first and then I'll look over his resume...

what skills does he possess, what can he offer me, how much square footage does a mansion in his heaven have, etc.

Not every twilight episode was fiction. remember when nuclear war was over that man who survived found all those books? Your saying that could never happen?

are you going to tell me to prove it won't?

Well if you think a book should be truthful "word for word" lets start with this one first.

do you believe that your god wrote the 9/11 commission report?

[redzero]

Half of you that come in here saying there is no God and when you die that's it are lying.

Claiming to know what people really believe.

There have been many cases were people who never went to church or always said God doesn't exist wind up confessing differently on their death beds.

Using those tired old deathbed confessions as evidence.
Claiming that since some people believed differently before they died, all atheists believe in a god.

What people say in a web forum and in public is not what they say when they are alone or scared for their lives.

Claiming to know what people say when they are alone.

I am sure 50% of the victims in WTC tower two were screaming Gods name when the tower was collapsing due to explosives.

Making up statistics.
Using people who probably believed in God as evidence.

With that said those of you who still think when you die that's it, good news is you will know for sure when it happens.

Not really, since we'll be dead.

It's not like a mystery like who was on the Grassy knoll or did NASA lie about the moon landings.

Re .

When you die and your spirit/soul leaves your body I hope you remember this topic and say "oh " those asshole's were right!

This doesn't make any sense.

Typical mouse. Typical logical fallacies. Typical troll logic.

Time to wait for him to try to change the subject in a failed attempt to be funny, or address only a part of my post and ignore the rest.

[mouse]

so I made a correct assumption that you believe in God.

I believe in Alternative Design, it is a science that explores outside involvement of how man arrived on earth. If it is Alien or some sort of huge energy source that has no earthly definition we comprehend or I can use to help explain it, then I have no problem for debating purposes calling it a "God" of some sort. what would you call someone you meet who happened to created you and the earth, Bill?

why did you call me out on that earlier?

so we can move on the the original topic what happens when you die, it's not a "is there a God" topic.

prove his existence first and then I'll look over his resume...

Can you prove who really shot JFK? You would have a hard time to prove how Stonehenge was built and you want me to prove something your mind can't digest?

what skills does he possess,

skill wise, did you know the DNA of a leaf has more information data than all the wiring in the Apollo 11 capsule?

what can he offer me,

A life beyond the one your living. just think only those who were smart enough to figure this out are allowed to continue on to another life.

we could actually pick up were we left off on this subject, while the Wild Cobras and the RandonLie's of this forum spend their after life tossing Satan's salad just to get a small sip of Gatorade.

how much square footage does a mansion in his heaven have, etc.

Well do the math how much room was created for our small solar system.

I think he has the "space"

are you going to tell me to prove it won't?

I don't ask for proof of something that does not contribute to a debate.
lets stay on topic.

do you believe that your god wrote the 9/11 commission report?

I will let you know at the book signing. will you be there also?

[Blake]

I believe in Alternative Design, it is a science that explores outside involvement of how man arrived on earth. If it is Alien or some sort of huge energy source that has no earthly definition we comprehend or I can use to help explain it, then I have no problem for debating purposes calling it a "God" of some sort. what would you call someone you meet who happened to created you and the earth, Bill?

If Bill is his name, I'll call him Bill.

Then I'll wonder how that Alien came into existence.

so we can move on the the original topic what happens when you die, it's not a "is there a God" topic.

that's abo ely what this thread is about, but that doesn't really answer why you said "you are assuming I believe in God" when it turns out that you do.

Can you prove who really shot JFK? You would have a hard time to prove how Stonehenge was built and you want me to prove something your mind can't digest?

It doesn't take a great deal of faith to believe in the official JFK story, and if it's a lie, my world won't be shattered.

I don't care about Stonehenge, but again, not much effort to believe it was built by humans.

Both easily digested.

skill wise, did you know the DNA of a leaf has more information data than all the wiring in the Apollo 11 capsule?

cool.

but I don't believe man created life so that's really irrelevant.

A life beyond the one your living. just think only those who were smart enough to figure this out are allowed to continue on to another life.

we could actually pick up were we left off on this subject, while the Wild Cobras and the RandonLie's of this forum spend their after life tossing Satan's salad just to get a small sip of Gatorade.

Well do the math how much room was created for our small solar system.

I think he has the "space"

that's all your speculation.

again, no proof.

I don't ask for proof of something that does not contribute to a debate.
lets stay on topic.

except you just asked if I could prove who shot JFK.

you suck at this, but that's no surprise.

[Amarelooms]

You are some stupid s on here....best are the Jesus dummies rationalizing and spinning bull to say they are right. So 2000 years ago Jesus (who was a man and would die eventually) was nailed to a cross for everyone's sin. What about the billions of years before Jesus...those people didn't count lol. Amazing how people get brainwashes...keep going to church you sheep. I'm sure Jesus/Mohammad etc are all looking down and hate you all for your ignorance.


Think for yourselves dummies

[mouse]

You are some stupid s on here

you have proof?

[Blake]

You are some stupid s on here....best are the Jesus dummies rationalizing and spinning bull to say they are right. So 2000 years ago Jesus (who was a man and would die eventually) was nailed to a cross for everyone's sin. What about the billions of years before Jesus...those people didn't count lol. Amazing how people get brainwashes...keep going to church you sheep. I'm sure Jesus/Mohammad etc are all looking down and hate you all for your ignorance.


Think for yourselves dummies

coming from the stupid that thinks the mavericks should tank in order to get the 4th seed.

[silverblk mystix]

No, I marry your 'spiritual' views to something quite different.

The difference is that I have emotional responses as well. I am very familiar with experiencing love. I grew up in this culture.

When we are talking about mathematics, i know for a fact you do not know what i am talking about. When you make comments about 2 + 2 = 4 as if that is something meaningful that becomes apparent.

You are 'spirituality' consists of taking things that YOU do not understand, discounting it as unknowable and equating it to love, art and god.

There is no basis for discussion really.

I know what you are doing. I have experienced it being done countless times.

The 2+2=4 came from Blake-who stated that 2 plus two equals something greater than 4--in his mind...

I don't know what you think you know I'm doing so either say it or stick to the topic at hand.

God or love are things that everyone has a different understanding of...so it is false to say that they are things I don't understand.

[mouse]

If Bill is his name, I'll call him Bill.

But will you call him Mr. Bill?

Then I'll wonder how that Alien came into existence.

You wont need to wonder anymore by then you will be enlighten and well educated.

that's abo ely what this thread is about, but that doesn't really answer why you said "you are assuming I believe in God" when it turns out that you do.

I also believe in you, is that wrong? you never defined what "god" was so i just assumed we can move forward. but your hung up on the word so lets call it the creator?

It doesn't take a great deal of faith to believe in the official JFK story, and if it's a lie, my world won't be shattered.

you seem to be on the fence with your statement so to be fair, (you get a play it safe card pull it out as you see fit.)

I don't care about Stonehenge, but again, not much effort to believe it was built by humans.

Translation: I don't touch on topics i may be weak in knowledge.

Both easily digested.

So is a date. what date do you have on your departure from earth?

but I don't believe man created life so that's really irrelevant.

so your father was not a man?

that's all your speculation.

Not just mine, I am not alone.

again, no proof.

Proof is for those who don't have faith.

except you just asked if I could prove who shot JFK.

Do you have faith it was just one man?

you suck at this, but that's no surprise.

How can I get better if you don't teach me?

[redzero]

Proof is for those who don't have faith.

There are people on this planet who are actually this stupid.

[Amarelooms]

Mouse you quoting er....stop asking questions dummy. Go read your bible son....it has all the answers you need. Jesus died for you

[Blake]

God or love are things that everyone has a different understanding of...so it is false to say that they are things I don't understand.

so you understand those things, but many Bible preachers dont?

that's false to say unless youre a hyprocrite.

[silverblk mystix]

so you understand those things, but many Bible preachers dont?

that's false to say unless youre a hyprocrite.

Somehow, you are not understanding what I am saying...or maybe you are purposely twisting it just to jerk my chain...

Let's put it this way;

God and love are things that are misunderstood by most people---including myself---because---again---NO ONE KNOWS the truth about god....

no one can prove he exists...

no one can prove he doesn't exist...

INCLUDING ME!

Got it?