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    The subject of rights or the subject of collective bargaining?

    On the subject of rights; a right is the absolute authority to act without the permission of another.

    Do you need me to explain collective bargaining? And, if it's a right, why isn't 100% of the workforce in a union with collective bargaining "rights?"
    yoni is stuck on stupid.

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    What about the employers rights to higher and fire who he/she wants?
    I don't know, you tell me. What about those rights?

    Collective bargaining often destroys the individuals freedoms to accel in a job for better pay as well.
    name one example of how collective bargaining has destroyed individuals freedoms to "accel" in a job for better pay.

    the stupid level on the messageboards today might be at an all time high.

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    I don't know, you tell me. What about those rights?



    name one example of how collective bargaining has destroyed individuals freedoms to "accel" in a job for better pay.

    the stupid level on the messageboards today might be at an all time high.

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    Wow...

    How does an individual bargain when it's all collective? Union members lose the ability to bargain with their employer as an individual.

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    Wow...

    How does an individual bargain when it's all collective? Union members lose the ability to bargain with their employer as an individual.
    wow...still ing stupid. wow... "what a surprise".

    Aside from the stupid notion that most laborers can negotiate better salaries on their own, I asked for one, just one example of the previous claim you made.

    Just flat stupid.

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    wow...still ing stupid. wow... "what a surprise".

    Aside from the stupid notion that most laborers can negotiate better salaries on their own, I asked for one, just one example of the previous claim you made.

    Just flat stupid.
    If you don't know that what I say is true, then you are an idiot. Fixed pay scales are a creature of the union. There is no way to individually bargain for batter pay in most union jobs. Everyone knows this. Why are you ignorant to such facts?

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    There is no way to individually bargain for batter pay in most union jobs. Everyone knows this. Why are you ignorant to such facts?
    pro sports aside, most union jobs are not white collar jobs.

    there is very little bargaining power for individuals in blue collar jobs to begin with.

    you are a ing idiot that never backs any of his many claims up as far as I can tell.


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    pro sports aside, most union jobs are not white collar jobs.

    there is very little bargaining power for individuals in blue collar jobs to begin with.

    you are a ing idiot that never backs any of his many claims up as far as I can tell.

    That's OK, I'll leave you to your ignorance.

    Why should I prove to you what almost everyone else knows as fact? I'll just keep it that everyone laughs at you.

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    That's OK, I'll leave you to your ignorance.
    we all know you are a stupid that pulls fairy tale facts right out of his ass.

    no need to prove us all wrong.

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    If you don't know that what I say is true, then you are an idiot. Fixed pay scales are a creature of the union. There is no way to individually bargain for batter pay in most union jobs. Everyone knows this. Why are you ignorant to such facts?
    But you have been whining about how they get paid so more than private sector workers.

    Self-pwned.

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    That's OK, I'll leave you to your ignorance.

    Why should I prove to you what almost everyone else knows as fact? I'll just keep it that everyone laughs at you.
    In the few years I've been here you've NEVER backed up an argument with facts. Not ing once! Yet you presume to say who everyone is laughing at

    Ask not for whom the bell tolls, Mr Maytag.

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    Y'all may be right. I just don't see it that way. I suspect the majority of voters/taxpayers looked at it and went..."damn!...I had no IDEA their benefits were that good! Mine aren't even CLOSE to that..."
    What's a "sick day"?

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    So far as I know, it's not a right but, a privilege extended through law. But, you didn't answer the question.
    When the 9th Amendment was signed.

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    So far as I know, it's not a right but, a privilege extended through law. But, you didn't answer the question.
    what?

    When a activity is protected by law (abortion, private-employee collective bargaining since 1935), it becomes a right. God doesn't give or enforce rights. Courts, regulators, and police do. There is no such thing as a "God-given inalienable" right.

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    If something is a right, wouldn't it be available to ALL Americans?

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    If something is a right, wouldn't it be available to ALL Americans?
    If allowed by law, sure.

    If you guys can't understand the dictionary definition provided, you're never going to get it. Just give up.

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    If allowed by law, sure.

    If you guys can't understand the dictionary definition provided, you're never going to get it. Just give up.
    Chump, I haven't been arguing the point, but I see a good argument for both sides.

    A "right" should be available to all. If it is something that law allows to some but not to other then it becomes a privilege granted to certain groups.

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    For example, if we say that Freedom of Religion is a right, then that means EVERYONE has the right to Freedom of Religion. If we pass a law that Muslims can't practice their faith, then we have repudiated that right and it becomes a privilege that the law only grants to certain groups.

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    Chump, I haven't been arguing the point, but I see a good argument for both sides.

    A "right" should be available to all. If it is something that law allows to some but not to other then it becomes a privilege granted to certain groups.
    Again, you ignore the definition provided.

    No need to go further.

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    If something is a right, wouldn't it be available to ALL Americans?
    Yep. Actually, a right is available to all humans.

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    If something is a right, wouldn't it be available to ALL Americans?
    Nope. You have the right to open your own business, right? But that opportunity isn't available to all Americans.

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    Yep. Actually, a right is available to all humans.


    The need to name the lifetime stupidy award after you at this point. Care to revisit your arguments on terrorism with this latest mindset? If I had a dollar for everytime you pointed out that certain rights were only extended to US citizens.

    You can't even keep your own bull in check.

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    The need to name the lifetime stupidy award after you at this point.
    irony

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    Nope. You have the right to open your own business, right? But that opportunity isn't available to all Americans.
    Are you saying opening a business is a right?

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    Are you saying opening a business is a right?
    You certainly have the right to if you meet the legal requirements.

    How is the stupid spreading over the internets from patient zero yoni?

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    You certainly have the right to if you meet the legal requirements.
    thanks for playing, chump

    How is the stupid spreading over the internets from patient zero yoni?
    yeah. exactly "How is the stupid spreading over the internets"?

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