Bully picks on kid twice his size, thinking nothing will happen. He's wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

and the best for last

[pawe]

You better take another CCW class.

It's easy to just let out a statement like that without being specific.

Here in AZ, we have a dont back down law or make my day law. If you are assaulted and you feel your life is in danger you dont have the obligation to retreat first, you can shoot him regardless of the weapon he is armed with too(bare fists, bat, crowbar, knife, gun).

In a bar, if a drunk guy comes up to your face and wants to fight you, and you just keep on saying "no, I wont fight but I am armed and I want you to back off me" but then the other guy just started punching you then your life is already in danger and you have to stop the threat by shooting him than risking you getting knocked out/dazed and him using your gun on you. Remember, you did not willingly participate in the fight and did not provoke a fight.

Personally, I will not shoot the drunk guy as I can probably run out and avoid the situation. It's just not worth it to kill a man over a measuring contest. but technically, you are defending yourself from assault and your life is in danger in this situation so you can shoot...Everytime you fire your gun, a lawyer's letter is always attached to it so be ready to take the risks.

FYI, the CCW class I took was not one of those NRA certified classes where they just give you brochures and papers.
So, explain your side.

[Cry Havoc]

So, any chance the Spurs could sign him to a 10 day?

[Oh, Gee!!]

So, any chance the Spurs could sign him to a 10 day?

nah, we never have much luck with Aussies

[timtonymanu]

Sweet! I enjoyed every second of that video.

The little er got what he deserved.

[CubanSucks]

It's easy to just let out a statement like that without being specific.

Here in AZ, we have a dont back down law or make my day law. If you are assaulted and you feel your life is in danger you dont have the obligation to retreat first, you can shoot him regardless of the weapon he is armed with too(bare fists, bat, crowbar, knife, gun).

In a bar, if a drunk guy comes up to your face and wants to fight you, and you just keep on saying "no, I wont fight but I am armed and I want you to back off me" but then the other guy just started punching you then your life is already in danger and you have to stop the threat by shooting him than risking you getting knocked out/dazed and him using your gun on you. Remember, you did not willingly participate in the fight and did not provoke a fight.

Personally, I will not shoot the drunk guy as I can probably run out and avoid the situation. It's just not worth it to kill a man over a measuring contest. but technically, you are defending yourself from assault and your life is in danger in this situation so you can shoot...Everytime you fire your gun, a lawyer's letter is always attached to it so be ready to take the risks.

FYI, the CCW class I took was not one of those NRA certified classes where they just give you brochures and papers.
So, explain your side.

You see, the problem is you're arguing with the type of people who live in a fantasy world where everyone is reasonable enough to talk to. To them there's no need for any violence. All they need is to let the violent person hear the right words and EVERYONE'S got it in themselves to stop their irrational behavior. They're the same type of people you hear about in the news who bled to death from a stab wound in their neck because they tried to verbally stop an assailant

[Chachachango]

HAHA, someone remind the scrawny kid not to play with fire.

[The Franchise]

I don't understand why the fat kid was punished. Somehow defending yourself is now wrong? For the few of you saying he should have shown better restraint, I doubt most of you would have had the restraint to walk away after slamming someone to the ground that punched you in the face twice.

[ploto]

I finally saw the video- while I understand the kid's frustration, his retaliation was not proportional to the taunting. He did not just punch the kid back; he picked him up and body slammed him onto concrete.

[resistanze]

I finally saw the video- while I understand the kid's frustration, his retaliation was not proportional to the taunting. He did not just punch the kid back; he picked him up and body slammed him onto concrete.

I doubt the bodyslam was premeditated. He was dealing with an individual who was repeatedly punching him in the face, unprovoked.

Now if he had stomped on the kid's head after the slam, I can see your point. But we're looking at a boy who was caught up in the moment in an attempt to defend himself while being assaulted - I don't care that the other kids was smaller than him.

[pawe]

You see, the problem is you're arguing with the type of people who live in a fantasy world where everyone is reasonable enough to talk to. To them there's no need for any violence. All they need is to let the violent person hear the right words and EVERYONE'S got it in themselves to stop their irrational behavior. They're the same type of people you hear about in the news who bled to death from a stab wound in their neck because they tried to verbally stop an assailant

Well sometimes diplomacy works specially if the disagreement involves alcohol, music and crowded places. Easy to de-escalate the problem by saying sorry and then leaving right away.

What the poster was arguing about is he doesnt think it's right for a concealed carry permit holder to defend himself against a guy attacking you using just his bare fists. I think what he wants to point out is for tat, if a guy punches you then you can only just punch him back and not stab him or shoot him.

I don't understand why the fat kid was punished. Somehow defending yourself is now wrong? For the few of you saying he should have shown better restraint, I doubt most of you would have had the restraint to walk away after slamming someone to the ground that punched you in the face twice.

He was punished because the school have zero tolerance on fighting. He still was involved in fighting so the school was probably just following protocol.
He is an internet hero now, 4 days of suspension is worth it.

[4>0rings]

I finally saw the video- while I understand the kid's frustration, his retaliation was not proportional to the taunting. He did not just punch the kid back; he picked him up and body slammed him onto concrete.

And the kid won't be picking on him anymore. Job done.

[4>0rings]

What the poster was arguing about is he doesnt think it's right for a concealed carry permit holder to defend himself against a guy attacking you using just his bare fists.

Have you ever been in a real fight? Fists can be just as deadly. My ex's cousin got suckered punched and almost lost his eye, he just has permanent eye damage now. He's a real scrawny little guy that never starts , you really think he can defend himself against a big guy?

Ever fight a 6'7" 360lb polish guy? Your fists aren't going to do much.

[pawe]

Have you ever been in a real fight? Fists can be just as deadly. My ex's cousin got suckered punched and almost lost his eye, he just has permanent eye damage now. He's a real scrawny little guy that never starts , you really think he can defend himself against a big guy?

Ever fight a 6'7" 360lb polish guy? Your fists aren't going to do much.

That's what Im trying to say. My argument is you can shoot someone even if the guy was just punching you. - This is what I learned on the ccw class that I took.
The poster here who said I should take another class apparently doesnt know what he is talking about. It is not about how much damage a certain attack will do to you, it is about the threshold of pulling your gun for self defense. Just because he is only using his fists doesnt mean he cant be shot.

[4>0rings]

That's what Im trying to say. My argument is you can shoot someone even if the guy was just punching you. - This is what I learned on the ccw class that I took.
The poster here who said I should take another class apparently doesnt know what he is talking about. It is not about how much damage a certain attack will do to you, it is about the threshold of pulling your gun for self defense. Just because he is only using his fists doesnt mean he cant be shot.

[Cry Havoc]

I finally saw the video- while I understand the kid's frustration, his retaliation was not proportional to the taunting. He did not just punch the kid back; he picked him up and body slammed him onto concrete.

This just in: Getting repeatedly punched in the face = taunting.

[ploto]

I know people are mad about the suspension but schools do this to try to diffuse the situation, and sometimes to protect both parties. I know of a school that I thought had a zero tolerance policy. Two kids got in a fight but somehow only one got suspended. Not too hard to predict that the next day, the one kid that was in school got the crap beat out of him by the friends of the other kid.

[Chomag]

I understand both sides to this argument but I wonder how much different this conversation would be if the small kid died here from a broken neck or broken skull.

[resistanze]

I understand both sides to this argument but I wonder how much different this conversation would be if the small kid died here from a broken neck or broken skull.

No different than if Casey had punched the bully and the bully fell and smashed his head on the concrete. An unfortunate, intended consequence of someone defending himself.

[CuckingFunt]

"Does your eyes lay gase upon this glory?"

Seriously?



Also, when did a lack of control become a viable excuse?

[Drachen]

"Does your eyes lay gase upon this glory?"

Seriously?



Also, when did a lack of control become a viable excuse?

I don't think there was a lack of control. In fact quite the opposite. He threw the kid down, and didn't do anything else he walked away. He was repeatedly attacked and defended himself the best way he knew how, then when the threat was no longer threatening him, he walked away. He could have taken it so much farther if he had lost control.

The only things wrong that happened here was everything before the big kid moved.

[CuckingFunt]

I don't think there was a lack of control. In fact quite the opposite. He threw the kid down, and didn't do anything else he walked away. He was repeatedly attacked and defended himself the best way he knew how, then when the threat was no longer threatening him, he walked away. He could have taken it so much farther if he had lost control.

The only things wrong that happened here was everything before the big kid moved.

I'm of the opinion that he could have just as easily walked away without the body slam, but that's beside the point as I was mostly referring to the comments in this thread. As a few people have suggested that the few punches the little kid threw weren't worth such a violent response (and, to be sure, picking up a kid half your size and slamming him on the ground is a violent act), the response has been to defend his actions with the excuse that he was in the heat of the moment and probably responded blindly, which I find somewhat problematic. I'm not up in arms about big boy's response, overreaction or not, but shouldn't the ability to maintain one's composure in a stressful or antagonistic situation still be the goal?

[Drachen]

I'm of the opinion that he could have just as easily walked away without the body slam, but that's beside the point as I was mostly referring to the comments in this thread. As a few people have suggested that the few punches the little kid threw weren't worth such a violent response (and, to be sure, picking up a kid half your size and slamming him on the ground is a violent act), the response has been to defend his actions with the excuse that he was in the heat of the moment and probably responded blindly, which I find somewhat problematic. I'm not up in arms about big boy's response, overreaction or not, but shouldn't the ability to maintain one's composure in a stressful or antagonistic situation still be the goal?

I don't agree with those who think he saw "red mist" or anything. If he did, he surely would have caused far greater damage. He was obviously by himself against at least 3 people (one of which was taller than him). You can have your composure all you want but when bullies keep attacking you and and you have taken a few punches, tried to block a few more and they keep punching you, eventually you have fight back. Honestly, this was likely the safest thing of all, the fact that he got it out, the others will likely stop and no one will be in danger of a pipe bomb to the skull.

Edit: without the rambling, and to answer your question, I believe that composure is favorable, and I am glad casey was able to keep his.

[koriwhat]

I'm of the opinion that he could have just as easily walked away without the body slam, but that's beside the point as I was mostly referring to the comments in this thread. As a few people have suggested that the few punches the little kid threw weren't worth such a violent response (and, to be sure, picking up a kid half your size and slamming him on the ground is a violent act), the response has been to defend his actions with the excuse that he was in the heat of the moment and probably responded blindly, which I find somewhat problematic. I'm not up in arms about big boy's response, overreaction or not, but shouldn't the ability to maintain one's composure in a stressful or antagonistic situation still be the goal?

put yourself in the shoes of a teenage boy and with all the hormones and pumping through you, you not only have to deal with that but also some little punching you in the face and trying to show off to some other little s who most likely have abused you too over the course of your adolescent life.

that little , he got what he deserved whether or not it was administered in a more tamed manner.

don't with the bull or you'll get the horns!

[resistanze]

I'm of the opinion that he could have just as easily walked away without the body slam, but that's beside the point as I was mostly referring to the comments in this thread. As a few people have suggested that the few punches the little kid threw weren't worth such a violent response (and, to be sure, picking up a kid half your size and slamming him on the ground is a violent act), the response has been to defend his actions with the excuse that he was in the heat of the moment and probably responded blindly, which I find somewhat problematic. I'm not up in arms about big boy's response, overreaction or not, but shouldn't the ability to maintain one's composure in a stressful or antagonistic situation still be the goal?

Personally I don't think the goal while being attacked is necessarily to maintain one's composure. I can only speak for myself but when when I refer to 'caught up in the moment' I'm not simply referring to being antagonized - I'm referring to when one is under attack from another individual.

We're talking about a kid who ed back and punched this kid in the face, and attempted to do so repeatedly. The fact that the bully decided to punch someone in the face who could body-slam him is his own fault.

Also, the fact that throwing the bully was a potentially dangerous move doesn't resonate well with me. Casey could've punched the kid back in the face and the bully might've cracked his skull on the pavement. Like I before, if he had stomped on the bully afterwards, then I see an argument for a disproportional reaction. Not in this case.