Solar Power Outlook Per Moore's Law

[MannyIsGod]

Germany uses the most PV in the world.


Power generation from PV in Germany is less than 1%.

Timeframe fail. Let me know in 20 years if this is still the case.

[DarrinS]

Really?

And yet, we use reservoirs all over the world in order to catch rain water in order to have water. Where do you think ground water comes from, Darrin?

Rain is the ultimate source of drinking water and there are so many places that rely on it directly and you use THAT as your example?

You can't make this up.

God, you're thick as a brick.

Yes, we have natural ways of collecting this very dispersed resource (e.g. the Edwards aquifer).

Is there such a natural system for collecting solar? Nope.


Thanks for playing.

[MannyIsGod]

There's not a natural way of collecting solar?



Both wind and oil energy are effectively natural ways of collecting solar. Where do you think the energy from Biodesiel comes from?

And last time I checked, a reservoir isn't natural if it requires the construction of a dam.

@ thanks for playing.

[MannyIsGod]

Plants make magic energy. They don't naturally collect solar.

[MannyIsGod]

Virtually all the water humans drink is from rainwater and Darrin chooses to use rain as the example of a resource we can't use.

Oh .

[ChumpDumper]

That's still a long ways away. I still say let the marketplace develop solar when it's cost effective for them.

If the same thinking had been applied to nuclear power, the number of nuclear power plants in the US would be zero.

[boutons_deux]

Except for geothermal, ALL energy sources are solar.

[RandomGuy]

The OP only addressed cost and efficiency. Still doesn't address the fact that solar energy is not and never will be a dense source of energy -- just like rain is not a dense source of drinking water, no matter how you much you improve the collection and transmittion process.

"I read it on the internet, it must be true, it says right there "energy density", can't you get that?"

...

"um, no, he didn't really give any supporting data"

...

"no, he didn't really say why he thinks the recent research in the field is the end of the line when it comes to research, or even show a familiarity with what it currently being done"

.. but dammit, Energy Density!

Dont' you see?

Translation:

[DarrinS]

Translation:

classy

[RandomGuy]

The OP only addressed cost and efficiency. Still doesn't address the fact that solar energy is not and never will be a dense source of energy -- just like rain is not a dense source of drinking water, no matter how you much you improve the collection and transmittion process.

Because, as we all know, cost and efficiency are *totally* irrelevant when it comes to investment decisions about energy.

One should also ignore depletion factors, and double up on sources of energy that will experience price es long before they reach final depletion.

That makes perfect sense.

[DarrinS]

Germany's market share of PV



Energy production in Germany
(PV only 0.1% less than energy production from waste )

[RandomGuy]

Keep saying "density" maybe that will make the argument more valid than it was the first time it was debunked with like, actual attempts at showing costs.

[ChumpDumper]

Rain?

Really?

[DarrinS]

Rain?

Really?

For those that couldn't understand it, I posted some graphs.

Enjoy.

[RandomGuy]

Germany's market share of PV



Energy production in Germany
(PV only 0.1% less than energy production from waste )

You do know that Germany is at roughly the same la itude as mid-Canada, right?

It lies on roughly the same la ude as the southernmost parts of Hudson bay.

Shocker, I know, that different places might have different capacities for different types of renewables.

Maybe you will make fun of Switzerland for not having a lot of tide-generated electricity next?

[ChumpDumper]

For those that couldn't understand it, I posted some graphs.

Enjoy.

No, I rather enjoyed your attempt to run with that analogy.

[coyotes_geek]

The OP only addressed cost and efficiency. Still doesn't address the fact that solar energy is not and never will be a dense source of energy -- just like rain is not a dense source of drinking water, no matter how you much you improve the collection and transmittion process.

Must not have been paying attention in earth science when they talked about the hydrologic cycle.

[DarrinS]

Must not have been paying attention in earth science when they talked about the hydrologic cycle.

I'm sorry you guys are having such a difficult time with that analogy.

[RandomGuy]

classy

I stopped having respect for you about the time you couldn't bring yourself to admit that the deaths of women and children in the war on terror was a bad thing, even if it was not intentional.

The fact that your arguments tend to be comically bad in general doesn't help.

Enjoy.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry you guys are having such a difficult time with that analogy.

What is a dense source of drinking water?

[coyotes_geek]

I'm sorry you guys are having such a difficult time with that analogy.

I'm sorry you're having such a difficult time figuring out that whatever comes out of your tap used to be rain.

[DarrinS]

What is a dense source of drinking water?

A reservoir, a lake, an aquifer.


The issue was about it being dispersed

you stupid

ing

ignorant

a-holes.

[Drachen]

A reservoir, a lake, an aquifer.


The issue was about it being dispersed

you stupid

ing

ignorant

a-holes.

Aren't these rain collection devices?

(well, all except the a-holes)

[ChumpDumper]

A reservoir, a lake, an aquifer.


The issue was about it being dispersed

you stupid

ing

ignorant

a-holes.

But rain is water.

Rain isn't a collection method of water

[ChumpDumper]

I mean maybe you'd have a point if someone came up and said his plan was to store water in clouds and collect it by holding his mouth open when it rains.