Understood.
Trust me you don't need a fancy electronically device just find an old 6 dollar Kodak camera.
I kinda with mouse on this. Whenever a scientist says on national TV "we're not really sure what the effects gonna be" means it could be very very bad
or "there is no factual data to predict what's gonna happen"
this is a first and we'll find out what happens as it happens
and LOL at those apologist on tv and on the web saying "this is not going to be even close as bad as Chernobyl"
so ing what??? even if this is 1/10th or even 1/20th as bad as Chernobyl. It is a up of epic proportions.
I don't understand the panic. Scientists may not know what's going to happen around Fukushima, but they're >99.9% certain that it won't affect the U.S. What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? Mouse is just fanning the flames of hyperbolic world-destruction, the same as he always does. Funny thing is, he does it with very little credible scientific information on his part.
Chernobyl was a worst-case scenario and didn't affect the U.S. If this is 1/20th as bad as Chernobyl, what are you worried about?
I'm also tired of hearing that the good news is that it's blowing out into the Pacific Ocean. What are the long term effects of THAT on the food chain?
There was a lady on NBC yesterday that said people should not take the iodine pills unless they are exposed to radiation when the day before she said the don't take the pills unless you think you may be contaminated that they don't work if you already have radiation contamination.
Where do they find these experts?
"They survived a nuclear war but could not comprehend what it meant, radioactive isotopes in the water, the air, and ac ulating and magnifying along the food chain and therefore in themselves. Can we? Do we generally understand that each and everyone of us is a part of the global food chain, a part of the global flows of matter and energy? And the North Pacific is the World's major fishing ground..."
The point of the pills is to saturate your thyroid with the benign iodine so it doesn't pick up the radioactive iodine...and won't the radioactive iodine threat be over in a week or so? Do the pills even do anything for Cesium 137?
Uh. It's NBC. What the are you expecting?
Yes. We all know this is a horrific disaster that's going to affect people. The subject, however, is direct impact of exposure to airborne radiation on people in the western United States. As of now, there's no evidence that it will impact anyone in a form that panicking and rushing to the supermarket to buy iodine is going to change anything. That's the point being made, not that this is innocuous and will not have any impacts on the environment down the road.
Don't confuse posting facts as panicking. This isn't a topic about the Spurs vs the Heat.
We get it they only "know" when it comes to how old the earth is,how the universe was created,how man was created,how much life is in space, etc.....Scientists may not know
cancer and radiation just slips their minds.
Your not worthy of trying to educate keep reading your science books,but they're >99.9% certain that it won't affect the U.S. What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?
Well then if you feel that way why ask me for evidence?Mouse is just fanning the flames of hyperbolic world-destruction, the same as he always does.
Why are you not asking your Science book worshiping friends like wild cobra,ruffNreadyOzstyle,Blake,Chump Dumper, Pyzix, and RandomLie?
Just the usual Judge Judy and Celebrity Apprentice.
u asked how it will affect USA. I showed you through food chain.
again, nobody knows for sure how or at what level it will affect airbornewise. Mother ers say it's no more radiation than from your cellphone. Really? what if the plutonioum (which we know for a fact is there) is spread. Do you know any cellphones that emit plutonium radiation??
Those pills are worthless vs. plutonioum/cecium radiation BTW. a waste. Stupid idiots those who are purchasing them in USA.
I am no pharmacists but I am sure if there was a wonder pill someone from Chernobyl may have asked CVS Pharmacy for a bottle by now.
In the Army we were given Iodine pills to help purify drinking water, we also carried two injections with us one for Radiation one for nerve gas exposure.
What were in those needles only the Military and maybe someone from Halliburton knows. It's kinda like getting an STD in prison does it really matter if Penicillin helps, you still got ed in the ass.
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lol sigworthy quotes from mouse.
Japan: Just 48 hours to avoid 'another Chernobyl'
By Gordon Rayner and Martin Evans, The Daily Telegraph March 16, 2011
Nuclear safety officials in France said they were "pessimistic" about whether engineers could prevent a meltdown at the Fukushima power plant after a pool containing spent fuel rods overheated and boiled dry.
Radiation levels were "extremely high" in the stricken building, which was breached by an earlier explosion, meaning that radiation could now escape into the atmosphere. Tokyo Electric, the owners of the plant, said five workers had been killed at the site, two were missing and 21 had been injured.
As Japan resorted to increasingly desperate measures - including dumping water on the site from helicopters - there were accusations that the situation was now "out of control".
The Foreign Office responded to the latest developments by advising all British citizens to leave Tokyo - which is 150 miles south of the plant - and the whole of northern Japan.
The EU has even urged member states to check Japanese food imports for radioactivity. Yuhei Sato, the governor of the Fukushima region, criticized the government, saying that the "anxiety and anger" of residents had "reached a boiling point".
Emperor Akihito made a rare address to the nation, urging the Japanese to pull together, but hinted at his own fears for the nuclear crisis saying: "I hope things will not get worse."
In London, the FTSE-100 share index slumped as news of the latest emergency emerged, closing 1.7 per cent down.
The official death toll from last Friday's earthquake and tsunami now stands at 4,314, with another 8,606 listed as missing.
Thousands of people still waiting for food aid in the remotest areas of the disaster zone endured fresh misery yesterday as heavy snow began to fall across northern Japan. But all eyes were on the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant as Japanese authorities admitted concerns over rising temperatures in three pools containing spent fuel rods.
A failure of the cooling system that has crippled the entire plant led water in the No 4 pool to begin to boil. If the water evaporates and exposes the rods, a meltdown could occur, and last night the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission [USNRC] said there was no water left in the pool, resulting in "extremely high" radiation levels.
An earlier fire and explosion in the No 4 reactor building is thought to have breached the protective walls around the pool. A statement from the USNRC said: "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."
Attempts to cool the site by dumping seawater from helicopters had to be aborted at one stage because of dangerous radiation levels in the air above the plant. A police water cannon was brought in to help blast water into the overheating reactors and pools, but there were warnings that it may be too late to prevent a disaster.
Thierry Charles, a safety official at France's Ins ute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety, [IRSN] said: "The next 48 hours will be decisive. I am pessimistic, because since Sunday I have seen that almost none of the solutions has worked." He described the situation as "a major risk", but added: "All is not lost, and I hope that the Japanese can find a way."
Asked about the maximum possible amount of radioactive release, he said "it would be in the same range as Chernobyl".
Francois Baroin, a French government spokesman, went further, saying: "In the worst of cases, it could have an impact worse than Chernobyl." He added: "Let's not beat about the bush. They have visibly lost the essential of control. That is our analysis, in any case, it's not what they are saying."
Malcolm Grimston, a British nuclear expert at the Chatham House think tank, played down suggestions of an impending disaster, saying Fukushima was not like Chernobyl.
"We're nearly five days after the fission process was stopped, the levels of radioactive iodine will only be about two-thirds of where they were at the start, some of the other, very short-lived, very radioactive material will be gone altogether by now," he said.
Earlier, Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet, France's ecology minister, had said that "the worst scenario is possible and even probable". At one point, radiation levels at the plant rose to such dangerous levels that all workers were evacuated from the site. A 180-strong team was later allowed back to continue attempts to cool the fuel rods, but the government raised the maximum allowable radiation exposure for workers from 100 millsieverts per year to 250 mSvs, which it said was "unavoidable due to the cir stances".
The fuel rod pools contain spent uranium rods which remain extremely radioactive after being used in the reactor, and have to be constantly cooled until safe for disposal. In a statement, the IRSN said: "Without water replenishment, the fuel-rod assemblies will start to be exposed in a few days. If the pool runs dry, this would eventually lead to the meltdown of the fuel Ö The corresponding releases of radioactivity would be far higher than those that have occurred up till now."
The Pentagon ordered its armed forces, which had been sent to Japan to help with the relief effort, to retreat to 50 miles away from the plant, more than four times the 12-mile limit imposed by the Japanese government.
Yukiya Amano, the IAEA's director general, said the situation was "very serious" and announced he would fly to Japan on Thursday for a first-hand briefing on the crisis.
Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Ja...#ixzz1Gt7ifqqf
Danger of Spent Fuel Outweighs Reactor Threat
Keith Bradsher and Hiroko Tabuchi | Thursday 17 March 2011
Years of procrastination in deciding on long-term disposal of highly radioactive fuel rods from nuclear reactors is now coming back to haunt Japanese authorities as they try to control fires and explosions at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station.
Some countries have tried to limit the number of spent fuel rods that ac ulate at nuclear power plants — Germany stores them in costly casks, for example, while Chinese nuclear reactors send them to a desert storage compound in western China’s Gansu province. But Japan, like the United States, has kept ever larger numbers of spent fuel rods in temporary storage pools at the power plants, where they can be guarded with the same security provided for the power plant.
Figures provided by Tokyo Electric Power on Thursday show that most of the dangerous uranium at the power plant is actually in the spent fuel rods, not the reactor cores themselves. The electric utility said that a total of 11,195 spent fuel rod assemblies were stored at the site.
That is in addition to 400 to 600 fuel rod assemblies that had been in active service in each of the three troubled reactors. In other words, the vast majority of the fuel assemblies at the troubled reactors are in the storage pools, not the reactors.
http://www.truth-out.org/print/68551
radiation 25 years later.
If Japan doesn't store at the site, and their country is too small and too geographically unstable, what could they do?
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html
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In October 1976, fear of nuclear weapons proliferation (especially after India demonstrated nuclear weapons capabilities using reprocessing technology) led President Gerald Ford to issue a Presidential directive to indefinitely suspend the commercial reprocessing and recycling of plutonium in the U.S. On April 7, 1977 , President Jimmy Carter banned the reprocessing of commercial reactor spent nuclear fuel. The key issue driving this policy was the serious threat of nuclear weapons proliferation by diversion of plutonium from the civilian fuel cycle, and to encourage other nations to follow the USA lead.[4] . After that, only countries that already had large investments in reprocessing infrastructure continued to reprocess spent nuclear fuel. President Reagan lifted the ban in 1981, but did not provide the substantial subsidy that would have been necessary to start up commercial reprocessing.[5]
In March 1999, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) reversed its own policy and signed a contract with a consortium of Duke Energy, COGEMA, and Stone & Webster (DCS) to design and operate a Mixed Oxide (MOX) fuel fabrication facility. Site preparation at the Savannah River Site (South Carolina) began in October 2005.[6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing
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Note that UCA is not in the nuclear fuel waste repro game at all.
We have to ask WC why private companies haven't gotten into that game. St Ronnie refused to subsidize, although a reprocessing industry would have greatly assisted the UCA's mgmt of nuclear fuel garbage, one of the huge obstacles to going nuclear (actually, Wall St is the biggest obstacle).
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The bottom-line all the excuses why people use nuclear power doesn't wash. You mess with the bull you get the horns. If you allow your child to play with ants there is a possibility he or she may get stung.
You build an outhouse in your backyard you may smell . Why are humans so ignorant?
The sooner this planet pulls it's head out of it's contaminated ass the better.
The more I read these threads the more it becomes apparent how little people know about radiation and radioactive elements.
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