Did Obama seek an...

[CosmicCowboy]

There have been UN mandates before that we have just wrung our hands over and didn't do .

[coyotes_geek]

That presupposes a lot. Why aren't we obligated to enforce UN mandates? We're a permanent member of the security counsel, aren't we? We supposedly take the international rule of law seriously, don't we? We support the UN as an ins ution, right?

Russia and China are permament members of the UNSEC too. Where's their obligation to bomb Libya?

[MannyIsGod]

He keeps using the word obligation but I'm not sure he knows what it means.

[vy65]

He keeps using the word obligation but I'm not sure he knows what it means.

Great contribution to the discussion. Thx bud.

[CosmicCowboy]

So is vy65 the only one in the political forum that thinks we should be bombing Libya?

[vy65]

Russia and China are permament members of the UNSEC too. Where's their obligation to bomb Libya?

They're obligated to enforce UN mandates as well.

[CosmicCowboy]

How did enforcing all those UN Resolutions work out for Rwanda?

[vy65]

How did that work out for Rwanda?

Not very well. But that's besides the point. They still had an obligation - the fact that they welched on it is a different issue.

[CosmicCowboy]

So we could have just as easily welched on this one too?

[vy65]

So we could have just as easily welched on this one too?

Why's that relevant?

[coyotes_geek]

They're obligated to enforce UN mandates as well.

So why aren't they bombing Libya right now? They're obligated to.

[CosmicCowboy]

Did y'all see that video of the dead tank with a ing GOATS HEAD hanging off the muzzle of the cannon and that stupid mother er just sitting on the cannon barrel shooting his AK47 straight up in the air?

THATS who we are fighting for?

[vy65]

So why aren't they bombing Libya right now? They're obligated to.

I don't know why they're not.

But as cons uent members of the UNSC, I'd say they are obligated to enforce the no fly zone.

I've yet to get a coherent reason out of you as to why they're not other than the fact that Russia/China have done nothing.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't know why they're not.

But as cons uent members of the UNSC, I'd say they are obligated to enforce the no fly zone.

I've yet to get a coherent reason out of you as to why they're not other than the fact that Russia/China have done nothing.

They didn't vote for it, they didn't send help. Good enough?

[vy65]

They didn't vote for it, they didn't send help. Good enough?

Sure. But that means that those countries who did vote for it would probably be obligated to enforce the mandate, right?

[CosmicCowboy]

How old are you?

[vy65]

How old are you?

Old enough.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just assumed that if you believed in the UN you also believed in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

[vy65]

I just assumed that if you believed in the UN you also believed in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

Good argument.

[MannyIsGod]

Can you point me to the piece of legislation that obligates us to enforce UN resolutions?

[vy65]

Can you point me to the piece of legislation that obligates us to enforce UN resolutions?

Sure. The UN charter is a treaty ratified by the United States. The charter obligates member states to enforce the UN Articles.

Article VI of the Cons ution makes treaties the supreme law of the land unless they conflict with a statute.

[coyotes_geek]

I don't know why they're not.

But as cons uent members of the UNSC, I'd say they are obligated to enforce the no fly zone.

I've yet to get a coherent reason out of you as to why they're not other than the fact that Russia/China have done nothing.

No one is obligated to go to war on the UN's behalf. Coherent enough?

[vy65]

No one is obligated to go to war on the UN's behalf. Coherent enough?

Nope.

[coyotes_geek]

Nope.

Can you cite one example where the UN forced a country to go to war against it's will?

[vy65]

Can you cite one example where the UN forced a country to go to war against it's will?

Your question shows me that you have no idea what I'm talking about.