I've officially seen/heard it all now...

[ElNono]

Lies!!!!

Frederico Gayshilusku is better center all time!

Euroleague > NBA!

[Rummpd]

Bring it on haters and those that don't understand advanced stats: Duncan even this year blocks more shots per minute and rebounds at nearly the rate of Howard - Duncan is also a far smarter defender, and while he does not have Howard's hops has at least as long as reach:

Not surprising Duncan historically far greater than D. Howard in shot blocking effectiveness - which is not the same as just blocking shots, but Duncan is also top 9 all time in that too
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See the following link:


Not surprising for the man who may have had the greatest block season in history: http://www.48minutesof .com/the-v...duncans-blocks
Although intuitive in its own right, this information paints a counterintuitive portrait of some of the NBA’s better regarded frontcourt defenders. For instance, “Looking at it this way, Brendon Haywood, who many people think is a very good defender (me included) actually is a less valuable shot blocker than Jermaine O’Neal.”

Huizinga’s paper is led “The Value of a Blocked Shot in the NBA: From Dwight Howard to Tim Duncan,” and not without good reason, explains Pruiti:

…As [Huizinga] explained, through a series of charts, Tim Duncan has had the best season in history when it came down to value/block with 1.12, meaning he saved 1.12 points with every block and Dwight Howard ended up with the worst season in terms of value/block with with .53 (both came during the 2008 season*).Long ago I noticed that most of Tim Duncan’s blocks came right at the rim, which is why I am so excited to read about Huizinga’s paper. Rather than stoke the debate between traditional scouting and advanced statisticians, it further shows how the conclusions of one can work symbiotically with the visual evidence of the other.

*for which he foolishly got the DVOP for being over-valued but Howard could not sniff the great Duncan in his prime defensively and even today may not be the better defender!

Read more: http://www.48minutesof .com/the-v...#ixzz1HFMvcYle


Duncan today, when motivated and rested, is still a plausiby a more effective overall shot blocker than Howard and Chandler - perhaps Ibaka with his super human hops or Bynum with his reach and size can make a case to be more effective but in the playoffs when it counts give me Duncan over at least Howard anytime to at least try to make the right and efficient play.

[Muser]

Historically Duncan s on Dwight, but we're talking about now.

[ezau]

"there's a very easy case to make that he's far better than Howard on the defensive end."

+1,000,000

[John Basedow]

Bring it on haters and those that don't understand advanced stats: Duncan even this year blocks more shots per minute and rebounds at nearly the rate of Howard - Duncan is also a far smarter defender, and while he does not have Howard's hops has at least as long as reach:

Not surprising Duncan historically far greater than D. Howard in shot blocking effectiveness - which is not the same as just blocking shots, but Duncan is also top 9 all time in that too
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He is also near the top in blocks per minute. Not surprising for the man who may have had the greatest block season in history: http://www.48minutesof .com/the-v...duncans-blocks
Although intuitive in its own right, this information paints a counterintuitive portrait of some of the NBA’s better regarded frontcourt defenders. For instance, “Looking at it this way, Brendon Haywood, who many people think is a very good defender (me included) actually is a less valuable shot blocker than Jermaine O’Neal.”

Huizinga’s paper is led “The Value of a Blocked Shot in the NBA: From Dwight Howard to Tim Duncan,” and not without good reason, explains Pruiti:

…As [Huizinga] explained, through a series of charts, Tim Duncan has had the best season in history when it came down to value/block with 1.12, meaning he saved 1.12 points with every block and Dwight Howard ended up with the worst season in terms of value/block with with .53 (both came during the 2008 season).

Long ago I noticed that most of Tim Duncan’s blocks came right at the rim, which is why I am so excited to read about Huizinga’s paper. Rather than stoke the debate between traditional scouting and advanced statisticians, it further shows how the conclusions of one can work symbiotically with the visual evidence of the other.



Read more: http://www.48minutesof .com/the-v...#ixzz1HFMvcYle


Duncan today, when motivated and rested, is still a plausiby a more effective overall shot blocker than Howard and Chandler - perhaps Ibaka with his super human hops or Bynum with his reach and size can make a case to be more effective but in the playoffs when it counts give me Duncan anytime to at least try to make the right and efficient play.

You saw the right in front of you, but you went ahead and stepped in it anyway. Rummpd never disappoints.

[IronMexican]

Why do they always show Griffin dunking on the Spurs?

[ezau]

Where is Andrew Bynum in the block rates category? I mean, if he's really the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain, he should be making some waves by now.

[Kyle Orton]

ezau, where's your wife in the "staying alive" category?

[cobbler]

Howard really isn't all that great of a defender technically, he's just effective as because of his ability.

WoW! Just Plain Wow!

[ezau]

ezau, where's your wife in the "staying alive" category?

Good take man, good take.

[Ace]

Duncan defends with such class, so naturally he gets the edge.

[John Basedow]

Where is Andrew Bynum in the block rates category? I mean, if he's really the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain, he should be making some waves by now.

just make sure you got the meat wagon parked out front of the AT&T during the WCF...Bynum doin' work

[John Basedow]

ezau, where's your wife in the "staying alive" category?

[ElNono]

Kinda related... Kurt Rambis assists/quarter ratio was phenomenal...

[Beau]

WoW! Just Plain Wow!

You're easily impressed. For future reference, there's an emoticon to save you time.

[monosylab1k]

Obstructed View is one of the bigger dumbasses this site has ever known. We should just all be thankful he doesn't post nearly as much as he used to.

[cobbler]

You're easily impressed. For future reference, there's an emoticon to save you time.

Impressed?

[Beau]

Impressed?

You're not familiar with the word? That's not something you should be laughing about, unless it's laughing at yourself as to prevent from

[Rummpd]

Ibaka (unreal athleticism) and a healthy Bynum with his length and size both have the potential to be better defensive players than Howard.

Howard has had some raw impressive years in blocks per game and has been a monster rebounder but whether or not he should win DVOP of the year again is questionable but he will probably get it anyway.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...rt/avg48Blocks

Ibaka and Duncan block more per minute than Howard, Bynum not listed due to his time away it looks like.

Damm now Duncan is injured so this is all a moot point.

[Beau]

Howard has as much defensive potential for a bigman as anyone in the league and maybe the history of the league. He's dominating and impacting the game on D greater than any big today - but it's because of his talent and athleticism, not his technique.

He's a knockout artist right now. He's not a technician or boxer, he's just a badass. And if he ever learns how to use his head and play with more technique and preparation on the defensive end, he'll be unreal. But he's effective as , arguably the biggest difference maker in the paint today, and there's no denying it.

He's just got so much more upside he can tap...

[Grey Spurfan]

Tim Duncan has aged more gracefully than any hall of famer in NBA history. Even at his advanced age he is STILL the CLASSIEST defender in the league. Of course you no ring having gots wouldn't understand that.

[redzero]

Tim Duncan has aged more gracefully than any hall of famer in NBA history. Even at his advanced age he is STILL the CLASSIEST defender in the league. Of course you no ring having gots wouldn't understand that.

This guy gets it.

[Greg Oden]

Obstructed View is one of the bigger dumbasses this site has ever known. We should just all be thankful he doesn't post nearly as much as he used to.

true, tbh. There's a reason why he tends to stick in the Spurs forum so much. People won't call him out on his re ed as much up there.

[Greg Oden]

This guy gets it.

hi!

[redzero]

Tell your friend to learn how to snipe properly.