Jordan vs. Kobe..

[ezau]

DPG: $ 500.....Oh wait

[Warlord23]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Jordan: 6

tee, hee.

Legitimate 1st option:
Jordan 6
Duncan 4
Shaq 3

Supporting player:
Scottie 6
Kobe 5

tee, hee

[ezau]

Legitimate 1st option:
Jordan 6
Duncan 4
Shaq 3

Supporting player:
Scottie 6
Kobe 5

tee, hee

And.... Robert Horry: 7

[Rummpd]

#1 in PER vs the over-rated Kobe (17th in PER) who ESPN also ran an astute article do enting his over-hyped and psuedo clutchness? Not even a question = Jordan until he retired the first time, was 2X the player Bryant ever was and a proven leader whose teams did not miss the playoffs. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...-is-not-clutch

If Bryant was not giftwrapped Gasol + had that front line with him of Bynum and Odom he would be thought of as another McGrady or at best like Clyde Drexler. Over-rated to the core for Mr. 6 for 24!

Put Jordan at 33 on the Lakers and they would have won 70 games this year as Jordon would have gotten even more out of Gasol and Odom and would not take games off on defense as the over-rated Bryant in that category does too frequently.

[Venti Quattro]

#1 in PER vs the over-rated Kobe (17th in PER) who ESPN also ran an astute article do enting his over-hyped and psuedo clutchness? Not even a question = Jordan until he retired the first time, was 2X the player Bryant ever was and a proven leader whose teams did not miss the playoffs. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

If Bryant was not giftwrapped Gasol + had that front line with him of Bynum and Odom he would be thought of as another McGrady or at best like Clyde Drexler. Over-rated to the core for Mr. 6 for 24!

Put Jordan at 33 on the Lakers and they would have won 70 games this year.

The Good Doctor with the goods, as per the usual

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You want to talk talent? I guess you are saying Bird and Magic were overrated too then. Bird needed three Hall Of Famers including two HOF bigs at the same time to win. He also had a HOF point guard. Then on top of three HOFers he also had a HOF 6th man of the year and former MVP for one of his rings. Magic had two HOFers including a 6 time MVP and the greatest scorer in NBA history.

Kobe has had only one (potential) Hall of Fame player at a time on his team for the five rings. Bird and Magic had a lot more top shelf talent. And Bird only won three.

Jordan had one HOFer on his championship teams. Although if Rodman eventually gets in (as he should) Jordan will have had two.

And this is exactly why, IMO Kobe > Bird/Magic, and should without question be considered a top 5 player of all time.

[Riddler]

I'll take the one who didn't snitch and Rape

[Zelophehad]

And this is exactly why, IMO Kobe > Bird/Magic, and should without question be considered a top 5 player of all time.

Kobe's teams would win jack squat against those 80s teams.

[Rummpd]

No question in his prime Jordan would have outplayed Bryant. Bryant, who is super compe ive would have battled Jordan and had his moments but could not hold a candle consistently to Jordan who is the GOAT (except plausible arguements can be made for Jabbar - especially, Russell and Chamberlain) vs. an alltime 5-15 NBA great but to talk about him as comparable to Jordan cannot be backed up by any look at NBA metrics. Come back to me when Bryant has 7 championships and has had a huge finals concluding game and/or has a PER late in his career near that of Jordan. Jordan like Duncan never lost a finals and dominated several - Byrant to this date has not and has been outplayed by the Pistons, Pierce and others during his spurious "annointing" of the media as a near GOAT to Jordan - he is simply not yet in the discussion.

[Rummpd]

I do put Kobe over Bird at this point.

[lefty]

I do put Kobe over Bird at this point.

wHAT ???

[Capt Bringdown]

Magic had two HOFers including a 6 time MVP and the greatest scorer in NBA history.

Make that 3 HOFers: Kareem, Worthy and Bob McAdoo ('82 & '85). McAdoo was a former NBA Rookie of the year, NBA MVP, 3X NBA scoring leader and 5-time All-Star.

Granted McAdoo was on the tail end of his career with the Lakers, but he did come off the bench double figures and close to 6 boards a game in their '82 & '85 le runs.

Those 80's Lakers & Celtics teams were amazing.

[Giuseppe]

Legitimate 1st option:
Jordan 6
Duncan 4
Shaq 3

Supporting player:
Scottie 6
Kobe 5

tee, hee

But, we never did "1st option" at advantage Duncan.

And we ain't doin' now.

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Jordan: 6

& Daddy-O, Jordan is helpless & inert at 6.

[Spur_Fanatic]

It's an insult to Jordan to even compare him to Kobe (as great as this last one is)

it's not even close...

THis.

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Kobe's teams would win jack squat against those 80s teams.

80s = overrated

no defense, lazy rebounding, lots of quick (bad) shots being taken that were acceptable because of the complete lack of defense in that era

[lefty]

80s = overrated

no defense, lazy rebounding, lots of quick (bad) shots being taken that were acceptable because of the complete lack of defense in that era

The game was more physical

And there was that thing called handchecking

[ALVAREZ6]

I'll take the one who didn't snitch and Rape

weak

[Giuseppe]

weak

Al is more sensitive to the rape thing now that his Neal is part & parcel.

[Rummpd]

I personally put Bryant over Bird for the following reasons:

1) longer career - Bird's career cut short due to injuries
2) swap teams and I think it is about a wash except Kobe probably wins 4 les with the 80s Celtics and that front line even without Bird there.
3) Bird was not as versitile a player, Bryant could easily fit in as a SF
4) When motivated I believe Bryant better defensively than Bird.
5) Bird is a top ten great but I have him right behind Magic who also had a short career but it is very close, but Magic's historic game where he played all 5 positions and filled in for Jabbar clinches this for me.

My list:

Jordan
or Jabbar case for each - I have them 1a and 1b with equal numbers of les, similar MVPS and long standing dominance
Russell due to all time winner
Chamberlain
Oscar Robinson for his all around greatness and triple double year (Kobe has a chance to pass him at the end as does Duncan if either wins a couple more les or has a strong finish, Kobe has a strong case to move up due to his better play this year)


Magic
Kobe or Duncan - valid and strong arguement can honestly be made for both
Bird
Shaq (others considered Hakeem, E. Baylor, West, Cousy, Malone - if had won a le or two would be top ten and right on the fringe Moses Malone with David Robinson, Havlichek (spelling and others having some cred.

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The game was more physical

And there was that thing called handchecking

translation: defense was so ty that they allowed fouling

[ALVAREZ6]

Al is more sensitive to the rape thing now that his Neal is part & parcel.

It's actually the opposite...I think it's weak because it is. They're NBA players, whether Kobe raped or not has nothing to do with this discussion. And, I've already stated my stance that I don't think Kobe raped, that wanted it and got it.

[ChrisRichards]

Jordan has a real swagger. The kind that will make you respect him. You dont even have to like him but when he tells you to drop your pants and spread on all fours, not only will you do that but you'll be more than happy to lube your ass up to take this pounding.

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I can't say the same for Kobe. Kobe to me is a whiny suburban ass diva who walks around with a self of en lement. He's also one of the biggest phony in the history of the league. I guess this is why players on the court doesn't respect him. See for yourself

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[Riddler]

It's actually the opposite...I think it's weak because it is. They're NBA players, whether Kobe raped or not has nothing to do with this discussion. And, I've already stated my stance that I don't think Kobe raped, that wanted it and got it.

Then why did she get money out of it?

[lefty]

I personally put Bryant over Bird for the following reasons:

1) longer career - Bird's career cut short due to injuries
2) swap teams and I think it is about a wash except Kobe probably wins 4 les with the 80s Celtics and that front line even without Bird there.
3) Bird was not as versitile a player, Bryant could easily fit in as a SF
4) When motivated I believe Bryant better defensively than Bird.
5) Bird is a top ten great but I have him right behind Magic who also had a short career but it is very close, but Magic's historic game where he played all 5 positions and filled in for Jabbar clinches this for me.

1) that's because Bird played a reckless style; you will never see that pussy Kobe dive for a lose ball

2) The 80's were all about team basketball; Kobe would have failed there or asked for a trade

3) comparing apples and oranges in this case; I can say that Bird could play as a PF, which he did, and that Kobe can't

4) " When Motivated "
Like Kobe, Bird wouldnt play great D for 48 minutes, but he would often come up with the clutch defensive play

5) WTF does Magic have to do with Bird vs Kobe ????

[ALVAREZ6]

Then why did she get money out of it?

Gee, a dumb, young woman sees a top athlete of the planet, not only is attracted to him but also can say has had sex with said athlete to friends and win some nice cash on the side? I'd do it too if I were a chick.



What makes you think Kobe needs to rape any woman? You don't think he could immediately make 99% of women at any bar/club/anywhere for that matter follow him to his room and drop the pants?