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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/146810/Wa..._term=Politics



    PRINCETON, NJ -- With Earth Day about a month away, Americans tell Gallup they worry the most about several water-related risks and issues among nine major environmental issues. They worry least about global warming and loss of open spaces.

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    Ironic considering many of the factors above global arming are factors directly related effecting climate change (Urban Sprawl, the loss of rain forests, air pollution) and one is a direct effect of climate change (animal and plant extinction). Other than that, I would argue that water issues are a greater risk to much of our population than climate change so that is appropriate.

    Also, more than half do worry about climate change. I guess people aren't as bored with it as you thought.

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    And, Darrin?

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Darrin just providing data to show that a majority of Americans are concerned with climate change, its causes, and its effects.

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    Human-Americans have a memory, and a foresight, of about 15 minutes. Combined with ignorance of the big picture, eg, how global warming will affect all the items above it in the poll.

    Corporate-Americans, otoh, have a multi-decade strategy to gut the EPA and all environmental regulations. eg, Their employees in Repug party granted fracking an exemption for the clean water act, and never really tested or allowed to test fracking projects for contaminated water.

    Human-Americans are getting taken and played for the fat, dumb fools they are.

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    Well they better get worried. The last thing we need is a bunch of people walking around thinking everything is OK.

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    Extinctions due to man made warming? LOL

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    "Extinctions due to man made warming"

    Ms die every year from mal-nutrition, hunger, bad water, no toilets. Many Ms more will die for the same reasons as food becomes more expensive/scarce, as mining and industry continue to destroy water, air, soil.

    Consider those Ms "extinguished" by man-made global warming and corporate greed.

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    Extinctions due to man made warming? LOL
    Coral reefs are in severe decline and many species in reefs are incredibly specialized and localized to small areas. I would be utterly shocked if there are not extinctions in reefs that can be attributed to climate change and ocean acidification. Deforestation is in the same boat and I linked an article about a study just this morning regarding climate change and forests.

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    Deforestation (really tilling previously virgin soil) isn't a warming issue... it is however the largest threat facing species today.

    Coral bleaching probably has more to do with agriculture.

    You can make a weak link between anything and an all encompassing voodoo theory. That's the beauty of it.

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    Deforestation (really tilling previously virgin soil) isn't a warming issue... it is however the largest threat facing species today.

    Coral bleaching probably has more to do with agriculture.

    You can make a weak link between anything and an all encompassing voodoo theory. That's the beauty of it.
    Coral bleaching doesn't have to do with nitrates but rather increased atmospheric CO2 and warming of the oceans. It is very much related to global warming.

    Deforestation due to change in climate is a climate issue. Its not the same as deforestation to clear land. There are more than one way to kill a forest.

    You can claim a weak link if you want, but its completely unfounded. There are dozens if not hundreds of studies connecting these issues directly with climate change.

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    Coral reefs are in severe decline and many species in reefs are incredibly specialized and localized to small areas. I would be utterly shocked if there are not extinctions in reefs that can be attributed to climate change and ocean acidification. Deforestation is in the same boat and I linked an article about a study just this morning regarding climate change and forests.
    Yet no body can prove it's because of anthropogenic global warming, and there are plenty of causes of natural warming.

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    "Yet no body can prove it's because of anthropogenic global warming"

    more CO2 means greater ocean acidification = calcium-s ed sea animals at risk.

    Warmer oceans are pushing in pushing fish further towards the poles, where there may not be enough nutrition if their natural nutrition doesn't move with the fish.

    There is a single cause of WC's natural stupidity = check-box ideology

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    "Yet no body can prove it's because of anthropogenic global warming"

    more CO2 means greater ocean acidification = calcium-s ed sea animals at risk.

    Warmer oceans are pushing in pushing fish further towards the poles, where there may not be enough nutrition if their natural nutrition doesn't move with the fish.

    There is a single cause of WC's natural stupidity = check-box ideology
    You know, equilibrium equations are funny beasts, especially when there are three or more variables. Maybe you should familiarize yourself not only with the dynamics, but the relationship of percentage changes to pH.

    Your too ignorant to realize how stupid your statement is.

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    What's the equilibrium for oceanic acidity?

    and what are the forces working to maintain equilibrium?

    Increased acidity will leach calcium from s fish and coral, and make new s s, corals more difficult to form, weaker.

    In the human body, there is homeostasis maintained for serum pH at about 7.4 +/- 0.2, and body works very hard to maintain it. Consume an acidic diet (sugar, animal protein, etc), and your body will leach calcium, magnesium, phosphorous from bones, teeth, from anywhere, to neutralize the acidity.

    Same is true for deep body temps, esp the brain.

    Since the ocean isn't a organism, where and how of the equilibrium you so stupidly speak of?

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