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Squirm around what? Every creed has its fundamentalists.
Nor did I say they were. You are trying to squirm around this like a worm to a hook.
Squirm around what? Every creed has its fundamentalists.
But they won't, and I don't blame them. I wouldn't risk myself and my loved ones being targeted by a group of crazy ers for some girl I don't know. They're worse than the mafia!
Chumpdumper, quit trying to make this all about DarrinS's view on Islam. Also, quit trying to act like the media is exaggerating the violence it produces (of course it does in some ways). You can't honestly believe that Christians are on the same level. It's time to drop the politically correct bull and realize that areas where Islam is the dominant religion and quality of life is low you can be sure that there will be a ton of violence. It always seems to work out this way, just look at Libya and Egypt.
The problem is when governments have official religions. Heres a map of the world showing secular countries and countries with official religions. Is it any wonder that most of the the countries with the most blatant human rights violations and unrest also have official religions, and SPECIFICALLY the Muslim religion?
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Darrin makes it all about his view on Islam.So I don't have to act. Thanks for agreeing with that.Also, quit trying to act like the media is exaggerating the violence it produces (of course it does in some ways).Nice straw man.You can't honestly believe that Christians are on the same level.Now let's make it about your view on Islam.It's time to drop the politically correct bull and realize that areas where Islam is the dominant religion and quality of life is low you can be sure that there will be a ton of violence. It always seems to work out this way, just look at Libya and Egypt.
"You can be sure."
"Always seems."
"a ton."
Moderate Muslims turning radical?
Posted: February 15, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2011
By Willam J. Federer
Britain's Daily Mail, Jan. 29, 2007, reported in the article "Multiculturalism drives young Muslims to shun British values":
Multiculturalism has alienated an entire generation of young Muslims and made them increasingly radical, a report has found. In stark contrast with their parents, growing numbers sympathize with extreme teachings of Islam, with almost four in 10 wanting to live under Sharia law in Britain. The study identifies significant support for wearing the veil in public … and even punishment by death for Muslims who convert to another religion. Most alarmingly, 13 percent of young Muslims said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida which are prepared to "fight the West."
Germany's Spiegel, Dec. 20, 2007, reported in the article "Interior Ministry warns of radicalization of Muslims":
A new study released by Germany's Interior Ministry has added new fuel to the debate about integration of Muslims in Germany, with the report warning about the danger of radicalization of Muslims. According to the study ... 40 percent of Muslims surveyed had a "fundamentalist orientation" ... 6 percent of those surveyed were classified as having "violent tendencies," while 14 percent of respondents had "anti-democratic" tendencies. ... The report also concluded that religious beliefs are becoming increasingly important for young people.
Read more: Moderate Muslims turning radical? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...#ixzz1I0RA6RxV
So why do so many American Muslims oppose U.S. government policies described as preventive measures against attacks on the US by perpretators portrayed as Muslims?
It’s simple. Many Muslims in America don’t believe that any Muslims were involved in the 9/11 attacks. A 2007 Pew Research Center study found that 60 percent of Muslims in America are not convinced that Arabs were involved in 9/11; 40 percent do believe Arabs were involved. Pew confirmed the findings of a poll, conducted on the fifth anniversary of 9/11, at the Islamic Society of North America’s (ISNA) annual convention, which found that 62 percent of American Muslims are not convinced that Muslims were involved in 9/11; 38 percent do believe Muslims were involved. A 2002 Hamilton College/Zogby International poll of Muslims (citizens and non-citizens) living in America found that 66% are not convinced that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks; 34% said Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks.
The poll at the ISNA convention also showed that most American Muslims are unconvinced that al-Qaeda is a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America. (And the poll showed that most American Muslims are unconvinced that Muslims committed the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London.)
Many also believe that alleged plots discovered since 9/11 were set-ups by government informants, entrapping Muslims who posed no real threat to America. For example, skeptical Muslims cite the case of Shahawar Matin Siraj, who was found guilty of conspiring to blow up a NY subway station. Siraj claimed that he was entrapped by a Muslim informant, Osama Eldawoody, who was being paid by the NYPD. Siraj said the informant suggested the plot and incited him to act by showing him pictures of Muslims overseas being mistreated and by saying he had received a fatwa allowing Muslims to kill American troops. Wary Muslims also cite the case of Hamid Hayat, who was convicted of providing material support to terrorists by attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan. Hayat claimed he was entrapped by a Muslim informant, Naseem Khan, who was being paid by the federal government. The informant encouraged Hayat to talk about fighting America, encouraged Hayat to attend a terrorist training camp, and cursed at Hayat when Hayat said he hadn’t yet attended the camp.
http://muslimsforasafeamerica.org/?p=83
Like Russia, China, Cuba, Congo, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Tibet and Syria? Good point.The problem is when governments have official religions. Heres a map of the world showing secular countries and countries with official religions. I it any wonder that the countries with the most blatant human rights violations and unrest also have official religions?
A farrago of anecdotes and polls. What's the danger? That Muslims are as gullible, as willfully blind and as prone to irrationality as everyone else? Ho hum.Moderate Muslims turning radical?
Posted: February 15, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2011
By Willam J. Federer
Britain's Daily Mail, Jan. 29, 2007, reported in the article "Multiculturalism drives young Muslims to shun British values":
Multiculturalism has alienated an entire generation of young Muslims and made them increasingly radical, a report has found. In stark contrast with their parents, growing numbers sympathize with extreme teachings of Islam, with almost four in 10 wanting to live under Sharia law in Britain. The study identifies significant support for wearing the veil in public … and even punishment by death for Muslims who convert to another religion. Most alarmingly, 13 percent of young Muslims said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida which are prepared to "fight the West."
Germany's Spiegel, Dec. 20, 2007, reported in the article "Interior Ministry warns of radicalization of Muslims":
A new study released by Germany's Interior Ministry has added new fuel to the debate about integration of Muslims in Germany, with the report warning about the danger of radicalization of Muslims. According to the study ... 40 percent of Muslims surveyed had a "fundamentalist orientation" ... 6 percent of those surveyed were classified as having "violent tendencies," while 14 percent of respondents had "anti-democratic" tendencies. ... The report also concluded that religious beliefs are becoming increasingly important for young people.
Read more: Moderate Muslims turning radical? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...#ixzz1I0RA6RxV
So why do so many American Muslims oppose U.S. government policies described as preventive measures against attacks on the US by perpretators portrayed as Muslims?
It’s simple. Many Muslims in America don’t believe that any Muslims were involved in the 9/11 attacks. A 2007 Pew Research Center study found that 60 percent of Muslims in America are not convinced that Arabs were involved in 9/11; 40 percent do believe Arabs were involved. Pew confirmed the findings of a poll, conducted on the fifth anniversary of 9/11, at the Islamic Society of North America’s (ISNA) annual convention, which found that 62 percent of American Muslims are not convinced that Muslims were involved in 9/11; 38 percent do believe Muslims were involved. A 2002 Hamilton College/Zogby International poll of Muslims (citizens and non-citizens) living in America found that 66% are not convinced that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks; 34% said Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks.
The poll at the ISNA convention also showed that most American Muslims are unconvinced that al-Qaeda is a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America. (And the poll showed that most American Muslims are unconvinced that Muslims committed the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London.)
Many also believe that alleged plots discovered since 9/11 were set-ups by government informants, entrapping Muslims who posed no real threat to America. For example, skeptical Muslims cite the case of Shahawar Matin Siraj, who was found guilty of conspiring to blow up a NY subway station. Siraj claimed that he was entrapped by a Muslim informant, Osama Eldawoody, who was being paid by the NYPD. Siraj said the informant suggested the plot and incited him to act by showing him pictures of Muslims overseas being mistreated and by saying he had received a fatwa allowing Muslims to kill American troops. Wary Muslims also cite the case of Hamid Hayat, who was convicted of providing material support to terrorists by attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan. Hayat claimed he was entrapped by a Muslim informant, Naseem Khan, who was being paid by the federal government. The informant encouraged Hayat to talk about fighting America, encouraged Hayat to attend a terrorist training camp, and cursed at Hayat when Hayat said he hadn’t yet attended the camp.
http://muslimsforasafeamerica.org/?p=83
Communism/Socialism as religion?
*communism holdover?
And Syria... lol... Please...
You make a reasonable point, but CC's hypothesis does not bear even momentary scrutiny.
One could say that America uses capitalism as a religion in some instances... and we're certainly not the most "peaceful" nation.
Squirm worm.
so which do you attribute the violence to? Islam as the dominant religion or low quality of life.
and let me justat the notion that Christians are somehow above being violent.
I don't condone all the that goes on over in the mid east, but don't pretend like radical christian nut jobs don't behave violently too.
Grumpypants.
Things aren't that black and white. I would say that their poverty and oppression is the source, but weak minded and unintelligent people use Islam to justify their hate. The same thing happens here in the US (see Westboro Baptist Church) but to a magnitude much smaller than what we see in the middle east. There is plenty of hate and violence in the Bible (http://www.evilbible.com/) and although I'm not as familiar with the Quran as I am with the Bible, I think it is safe to say there is even more in the Quran. As far as I know Christianity rewards only a select few that are viewed as martyrs by naming them as saints, and even then they are the ones being attacked. Not only does Islam top that by promising virgins (lol sex in heaven) it endorses deceit and violence.
If I had to blame one it would be Islam. People don't blow themselves up because they're poor.
Sure Christians are violent, but provide some examples of recent mass murders in the name of Christianity aside from the events in Northern Ireland. Don't use any examples of those genocidal countries in Africa, that has more to do with revenge and greed than religion.and let me just
Even if you do dig something up, the point is that it's way more common in the middle east and there is a reason for that.
I agree. I also believe that if somehow Christianity dominated a patch of area such as the middle east there would be some ridiculous evangelicals promoting violence as well.
Religion = intellectual bankruptcy
Generalizing based on your own admitted ignorance. Risky.
Source?
You don't have to blame one. Sometimes things are complex.
The OKC bombing. Events in Northern Ireland and Africa might be valid too, despite your lame attempts to dismiss them.
You don't have to be religious. Judging from what you just posted you're hardly above hasty generalization, begging the question and invidious parsing yourself.
Um. Ok. I guess?
Not really surprised you don't get the humor behind this.
No. I do. I totally get it. Does it represent what everyone thinks? No. That's why I posted what I did. I've posted before, there are extremists and moderates. I'm worried about the ----->extremists<------. I don't have a problem with people different than me. I know there's a lot of that out there. With all the "let's watch the rhetoric", I don't really think pics like that do anything to help.
Not really surprised that you assumed my thoughts behind my post.
I believe I already noted that religious conservatives in Pakistan killed this liberal politician a while back.
Welcome to last week.
This is the kind of that happens when you start writing too much religion into laws.
I am pretty certain that if you mired enough Christians in poverty and the only education they got was in stilted "bible study" schools that engendered an obvious xenophobia you would get very similar results.
That is, essentially, the Pakistani educational system. It is much less a function of Islam or any given religion itself, and much more a function of primitive tribalism.
Halberto doesn't believe in sex in heaven? Yuck... Honesty... Lol...
If Muslims want to have bad virgin sex for eternity let them...
Yep! I'm always looking over my shoulder in Amish country.
Yes, there are wackjob Christian groups (Westboro Baptists come to mind), but 99.9999% of Christians would dismiss these people for the s that they are. BUT, even as extreme as the Westboro Baptists are, even THEY aren't out blowing themselves up for God.
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