George is a killer. Period.
Hill with it.
With the way he's playing so far, should he start or come off the bench when Manu and TP return?
IMHO, he will be great if he comes off the bench with TP or Manu manning the point. He'll be like our Jason Terry who's just better at finishing and defending. While we're at it, let's not forget that he's also brilliant when Tiago is on the floor with him.
This thread has a familiar feel to it, I know I've see/read it before.
Parker takes one of his many annual 2 week vacations for foot/knee/calf whatever. Hill gets tossed into the fire to play a position he plays only sporadically at best; proceeds to have a bad game or two. The usual spurstalk crowd has a meltdown about how much Hill sucks as a point guard and how he should be traded.
Then just as sure as rain in the jungle, Hill starts to play better and better as he adjusts to his new role. I won't be surprised in the least if his confidence starts shooting off the charts in the next few weeks and ends up helping to carry the team to several critical postseason victories.
And then I will bump this thread and have a laugh at all the crybabies in it.
Last edited by TJastal; 03-30-2011 at 06:35 AM.
29 point so far againt the suns? Trade him!!!!
The le of the thread is "Hill the PG".
He still isn't one, even when he plays well.
Hill's so good when he shoots. I wonder if there's a name for a guard whose primary role is to shoot the ball...
They run pick and rolls all day long and he does fine penetrating and finding open shooters. Hes getting better with his spacing and has made several nice passes in traffic.
Hes was overpenetrating and getting stuck under the basket or throwing the ball out there ealier in the year but hes gotten better about that. He is just getting better all the time.
Some players simply are better as starters. It benefits the team if Manu comes off the bench and Hill starts.
some players can do both (Manu & Tony), some can't... (Hill)
some players are tough mentaly (Manu &Tony), some aren't ...(Hill)
Yeah but when Hill is aggressive he is a superb player. During the phx game he had some really nice penetrations, you can tell he is taking advantage of the fact to see TP going inside every night.some players can do both (Manu & Tony), some can't... (Hill)
some players are tough mentaly (Manu &Tony), some aren't ...(Hill)
If only his confidence could be at the same level as TP, he would be deadly.
Hill is a 3rd year player. Tony and Manu are in what their 8th and 9th yrs, with 3 les under their belts? Of course theyre going to be ahead of him confidence wise...Tony wasnt exactly a confident guy in his earlier yrs either. Hill does fine off the bench btw, he just happens to do better as a starter.
+1
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Hill too!
But we have to admit now, that he is not made in the same "kind of wood" than Tony or Manu...
It reminds me an interview of Pop in whitch he was asked why he was so hard on Tony at the begining of his career, he used a methaphor with a stallion (if you remember...).
He said something like he had to know what kind of "material" Tony was made of and that the way TP responded showed him (early) that he was special. (that he had a stallion and not a "random" horse...)
I bet Pop would have loved to have been able to have the same kind of "coaching" with George, but last year's "he's my favorite player" showed that he's the kind of player/human being who needs to be "cuddled" or have is "back to the wall" to perform at his best.
His recent reaction to the "fake fans" on twiter shows me that he gives too much importance to people's opinion, Tony and Manu are who they are also because they don't care what people think...
(as a french, maybe you remember how NOBODY believed TP would perform in the nba and that he was too young, too pretentious... Tony didn't listen to any of them)
George is still young and I don't pretend knowing him perfectly or anything, but I don't think you can change the nature of someone, he'll never be a "killer".
Anyway, the thread was about "Hill the PG" and I think that on that matter everybody (Pop included) has accepted the fact that he is a real SG.
The only way he could have become a PG was if ("a la" Westbrook) he could have learned the position as a starter (with more PT)
...which means Tony is either injured or traded...
To be fair, only some spurs fans thought Hill could subs ute TP.Anyway, the thread was about "Hill the PG" and I think that on that matter everybody (Pop included) has accepted the fact that he is a real SG.
The only way he could have become a PG was if ("a la" Westbrook) he could have learned the position as a starter (with more PT)
...which means Tony is either injured or traded...
Pop and spurs FO have drafted a pure SG, they didn't expect Hill to be the future PG of the team.
Oh and Hill has 0 potential to be become a PG a la Westbrook even with tons of PT as starter. He just doesn't have this kind of upside.
Indiana George and the Temple of Doom
by Jesse Blanchard
48 Minutes of
AT&T CENTER — Who would have thought that George Hill, mild mannered backup point guard for the San Antonio Spurs, was merely a cover for his more potent alter ego, super sub Indiana George?
In the midst of a six game losing streak, extended in part due to a careless turnover committed by Hill in Houston, Indiana George came out yesterday guns blazing. The reserve—and normally reserved—guard hit his first five shots en route to 29 points and four assists in the Spurs 114-97 victory.
For most of the season, Hill has managed to keep near the level of play that made him one of the most improved players in the NBA a season ago. Now Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich is asking for more. He’s asking him to go back to his roots, to return to Indiana.
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Agree
When Tony,Manu and Tim were out he leads the team.He wasn't afraid to do it.But you can't do it when you have 3 all stars playing around you.
It's not confidence or mental problem.It's that you are not the number one guy,number 2 or number 3.He can't score 20 every game because he can't take so many shots as Manu or Tony.That's all.
If Pop ask him to shoot more I'm pretty sure he will be more agressive every game.
He's not as good as Tony,he's not as good as Manu but he's a pretty good player for us.It's only that he had a different role because he has HOF besides him in the team.
Main problem with Hill is consistency.
At his best he is a poor man's DRose. At worse he is Roger Mason Jr. We just don't know who we gonna get at times...
I like Hill as a player, but in year 3, I expected him to not have confidence issues. That said, I like what I've been seeing of Hill recently. Hes showing confidence and is looking to score more. Keep it up George.
This is the George Hill I've been looking for all season. This is the way George needs to play for the Spurs.
Saint Tiago, maybe the next sign needs to be 'Indiana George'. Have the signs up there so George knows what we want from him and that is for George to be aggressive all the time.
Last edited by Ice009; 04-04-2011 at 07:12 PM.
He's been steadily expanding his game and this season he's developed a more versatile 3 point shot. Hill used to just shoot the corner 3's but now he'll take just about any open shot at the arc.
Like everyone else on the Spurs he's not a true PG (unless Quinn counts although he's an end of the bench player anyway) but he really needs to be aggressive and penetrate to the rim in order to make plays and make the right pass. Gary Neal has helped since he has a good overall game including ball handling and making entry passes. I hope to see Hill and Neal with more minutes and attempts so the Big 3 can get more rest.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19337San Antonio's Most Important Piece?
By: Yannis Koutroupis
Hoopsworld
The 2008 NBA Draft was accurately projected as a class that possessed some guards who would have a major impact right away. The Chicago Bulls' Derrick Rose, Oklahoma City Thunders' Russell Westbrook and Eric Gordon of the Los Angeles Clippers have already established themselves as some of the league's best.
George Hill, who the San Antonio Spurs selected 26th overall that year, wasn't expected to be one of the classes' top guards. In fact, many viewed him as a questionable selection who the Spurs settled on after the Houston Rockets took Nicolas Batum, a player that the Spurs' reportedly coveted more than anyone else. Yet, three years in only the aforementioned World Champion Gold Medalists – and maybe O.J. Mayo of the Memphis Grizzlies – can claim to be better.
Hill has proven to be quite the steal for the Spurs, a franchise renowned for their ability to find draft diamonds in the rough. At one point Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich deemed him his favorite player due to his willingness to play and excel in whatever role he's asked to play. Hill has played both guard positions as a starter and reserve. Up to this point the only gripe Popovich has had with him is that he doesn't realize how good he is.
On Sunday against the Phoenix Suns Hill seemed fully aware of how big of a difference maker he could be. He scored 29 points on 10-16 shooting from the field and 4-7 from deep while dishing out four assists with no turnovers to help the Spurs end their six-game losing streak.
"George had another one of those games where he's aggressive," Popovich said. "When he comes off the bench and gives what Manu (Ginobili) used to give us coming off the bench it really helps our group. I thought he did that very well today.
"We're trying to get him to the point where every time he steps on the floor he knows that he's a heck of a player, that we want him to be aggressive and that he has the green light to do that and be a scorer. It's just a process, he's a young guy and a respectful guy who defers. He wants everybody to be happy. In an ironic sort of way we're trying to get him to be more selfish."
It's not just Popovich who wants to see him be more aggressive either, Hill's backcourt mate Tony Parker feels the exact same way.
"He needs to be aggressive, especially coming off of the bench," Parker said. "He was great, being very aggressive, shooting the ball very well, playing great defense. He did everything."
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http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.c...e-green-light/George Hill and the Green Light
By Rob Mahoney
Off The Dribble
The New York Times
Within 15 seconds of entering Sunday’s game against the Phoenix Suns, George Hill had made his first basket. After 35 seconds more, he had made another. Minutes later, Hill was in the midst of a full-blown explosion, as he dropped a pair of pull-up three-pointers, hit a short jumper, and then successfully executed the patented, controversial “rip move” to earn three foul shots and pull off an 11-2 run all on his own. Toss in an extra basket and a technical free throw, and Hill concluded his six-minute stint in the first quarter with 16 points and spotless shooting from the field and the free throw line.
That kind of burst is exactly what makes Hill fascinating to some, confounding to others, and occasionally infuriating to those who understand and appreciate his scoring capability. Such a showcase has simply been uncharacteristic of Hill’s N.B.A. career, though hardly because of a lack of talent; Hill has come to embody San Antonio role player deference, and while that respect for the Spurs’ pecking order is surely appreciated, Hill is considerably more gifted than the specialists who typically fill minutes alongside Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.
Hill has the potential for much more than players in the Roger Mason Jr.-Brent Barry-Michael Finley mold. He needn’t confine himself to the perimeter, nor attempt to be wholly accommodating to his high-profile teammates. More than any other contemporary Spur role player, Hill is in a position to force his own way; not only is he talented enough to provide another dimension to San Antonio’s offense, but Hill has also been given Gregg Popovich’s blessing (via Jesse Blanchard of 48 Minutes of ):
“We’re trying to get him to the point where every time he steps on the floor he knows that he’s a heck of a player, that we want him to be aggressive and that he has the green light to do that and be a scorer,” Popovich said. “It’s just a process. He’s a young guy and a respectful guy who defers and wants everybody to be happy. In an ironic sort of way, we’re trying to get him to be more selfish.”
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The Spurs system is strange. Pop calls timeouts 40 seconds into the game, sometimes earlier. It's hard for a player to make corrections on the court when he's being micromanaged from the sidelines. Tony does well with that, Hill not so much. Like Neal, you can see the frustration in his face when the opponent goes on a run or when a play is busted that ends in points at the opposite end. That look, to me, looks like " , Pop is going to be mad, bench here I come".
Like someone else said, Hill does not have good court vision. Also, although it's probably setup that way, I really don't like how he dribbles into the corner and gets trapped so often. You rarely see TP take the ball deep into the corner, he just probes up front and either dishes or finds a seam. Hill heads straight for the corner and often has to shoot or make a cross court pass. Again, it could be a designed play, but it looks bad from my perspective.
Unleash yourself George.
Yes, but don't take any pics.
The great artificial point guard debate: George Hill as “The Singularity”
by Jesse Blanchard
48 Minutes of
Can the spark of the divine be created in something where it is not inherent? Creativity can be nurtured, but in doing so is it instilling something that was not there before or simply providing the tools to express what already was?
More importantly, at least for the purpose of this discussion and the future development of one George Hill, are point guards created or born?
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