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    Sure, but isn't Krugman the guy that thinks we should double-down an on even bigger stimulus?
    Sure he does. Is that a good reason to dismiss his criticisms of the Path to Prosperity?

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    The topic is the GOP Path to Prosperity. The Dems' lack of any plan doesn't make its flaws invisible.

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    They're all full of .

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    En lement spending growth must be cut. Military spending must be cut. Taxes must increase. Any plan that doesn't include any these in any significant amount is flawed.

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    They're all full of .
    The optics are terrible, too. Tax cuts paid for by cutting health care for seniors? Moronic, electorally speaking.

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    Any legit attempt to reduce the the federal deficit and debt will undoubtedly not be wise politics. Perhaps if one of these politicians actually had the 'character', wisdom, and leadership abilities they all claim at election time they might be able to get the country to accept a program of significant spending cuts and tax collection increases.

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    they would have to grandfather it. It would kill the real estate market.
    How so? Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I bought my house the mortgage deduction was a perk, but not something that ever factored in to my decision on when to buy or how much to spend.

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    No GOP politician will advocate tax increases. Even the Democrats are gun-shy about it save for a high enough income level such that those impacted cons ute 5% or less of the electorate, or to fund one of their ideological cluster s like nationalized health insurance. Still, the precious middle class could never be called on to contribute more for all the wars and en lements and other bull they expect someone else to pay for.

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    Taxes don't need to be raised. We need to grow the economy and raising taxes is counterproductive to that. We need more tax payers, not less paying more.

    This can be solved when we solve the problems that export jobs, and when we make the safety net a safety net again, rather than the hammock it's become.

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    All we need is for the useless non-supermen to disappear and then the remaining can work until they die.

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    America needs more sweatshop jobs. The minimum wage is counterproductive to that.

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    Ryan is on some serious ing crack with those employment figures. And a new housing boom? WTF? That budget is just ing stupid when you look at the things he would need to happen to make it workable.

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    Ryan being seriously respected by Repugs as a policy wonk indicates all of their 100% bad faith and 100% commitment to the Class War.

    "raising taxes is counterproductive"

    yes, and proof is USA's ty growth, infrastructure deterioration, and destruction of the middle class from 1945 to 1975.

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    Just keep spending and print more money. Only good things will happen.

    -Krugman

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    Not Krugman's stance at all but no one in this thread will be surprised at your endless erection of straw men and refusal to address how much of a fairytale this budget is.

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    Supply side economics has been proven to be the voodoo economics that GHW Bush claimed it was when was running against Reagan for the nomination. It has been tried off and on now since 1980, and never has done anything but increase the deficits.

    I can hardly believe that anyone who purports to be serious about the deficits includes any semblance of it in any debt-reduction plan, as does Ryan.

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    Not Krugman's stance at all but no one in this thread will be surprised at your endless erection of straw men and refusal to address how much of a fairytale this budget is.
    erection and strawman in the same sentence. nice.

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    I believe our major economy killer has been the global free market stances our elected officials created. I didn't mind NAFTA, only because I seen it as helping to balance the economy or our immediate southern neighbor over the long term. However, free trade agreements that followed relocated those jobs from Mexico to Asia.

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    Many elected Democrats and individuals that consider themselves to be to the left of Ryan (Ezra Klein, Alice Rivlin, Matt Yglesias, Jon Cohn) are rightly attacking Ryan’s huge Medicare “savings” as being cruel and/or unrealistic. By 2022, Ryan would turn Medicare into a private voucher program, but the value of the vouchers would only increase annually at the rate of inflation. This is significantly slower than the traditional rate at which health care costs have grown, so it is basically huge cuts ever year in what Medicare would normally have spent. The likely result is that the political outcry would cause a future Congress to raise the voucher amount, eliminating these supposed “savings,” or our seniors in the future start getting dramatically worse and less affordable coverage.


    The problem for Democrats and their defenders is that they use a nearly identical accounting gimmick to produce the supposedly huge long-term savings in the Affordable Care Act. Almost all of the long-term savings in ACA come from the excise tax capping how much can be spent tax free on employer-provided insurance starting in 2018. While the limit on how expensive these plans can be starts high, just like the Ryan voucher will start high, the limit is also only indexed to inflation.


    It is the same “unrealistic” indexing Ryan’s Medicare Privatizing plan uses. So If you believe Ryan’s long-term Medicare savings are unrealistic because it won’t be politically viable, than you should also feel that the excise tax deficit reductions are meaningless because they won’t be viable. Or Democrats should admit that the ACA will in fact eventually make most under-65 Americans’ health insurance dramatically worse in the same way Ryan’s Medicare plan would for most people over 65.


    The problem is that neither party wants to actually deal with the real cost issues in our system, which is that Congress allows the politically well-connected health care industries to dramatically overcharge Americans and the government. Instead, the parties use gimmicks set far in the future to pretend they have plans to reduce the deficit.
    http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/201...are-inflation/

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    Just keep spending and print more money. Only good things will happen.

    -Krugman
    The most efficient way for the federal government to collect revenue is to collect no taxes.

    - Republicans

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    I believe our major economy killer has been the global free market stances our elected officials created. I didn't mind NAFTA, only because I seen it as helping to balance the economy or our immediate southern neighbor over the long term. However, free trade agreements that followed relocated those jobs from Mexico to Asia.
    This is true. This is why I'm fine, in theory, with tariffs on certain goods.

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    So Cobra Commander is cool with screwing Americans as long as it stays in the hemisphere.

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    En lement Hater Paul Ryan Was A Social Security Baby

    When Representative Paul Ryan was 16 years old , tragedy struck his family. His 55 year old father had passed away from a heart attack. Young Paul Ryan found his father’s lifeless body and was burdened by the fact that he had to tell his mother and siblings of this horrible situation.

    After his father’s passing, young Paul Ryan started collecting social security benefits until the age of 18 years old. He took this benefit and saved it for his college education. Representative Paul Ryan is one example of the millions of people whose lives have depended on our social contract with the American people

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/paul-...ocial-security

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    goddam, Repugs are truly repugnant assholes.

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