What about the "meltdown"? How many peeps dies from that so far?
Mouse, we know all about the health effects of hormones on cows. As a consumer, you have the ability to buy milk labeled "no rstb's used," or what ever that term is. You own link says only about 255 of the dairy production uses these hormones.
Give it a break Chicken Little.
As far as I know, it's like you said.
ZERO!
So you prefer a large ?
Catch phrase on the Politics forum.
I wonder if Wild Cold Brah would make a good babysitter.
No thanx, I already have the one attached to me.
Both U238 and U235 are pure alpha emitters, and therefore not harmful unless ingested or inhaled. I've held U235 in my hands before, it's warm and glows a bit in low light. The problem begins when it's taken into the body. As you said, particulate matter is created from the impact of those U238 rounds on armor, as well as oxidation due to the fact that uranium is pyrophoric. Those dust particles contain sufficient amounts of DU to create a major health hazard, settling into the lungs and eventually causing all manner of damage. It's alpha radiation too which means that the relative biologic effect will be 20x greater than an equivalent dose of gammas or betas (it's densely ionizing). The amount of damage overwhelms the cellular DNA repair mechanisms, and the cells which manage to survive pass on DNA which is badly damaged. Bad bad stuff.
Smokers should take heed as well. You're getting alpha radiation in your lungs too in the form of lead 210 and polonium 210. (around the equivalent of 300+ chest x-rays per year).
Don't take it personal if I don't shake your hand when we meet.Both U238 and U235 are pure alpha emitters, I've held U235 in my hands before,
Ps: Great job educating Loud Cobra the man runs around insulting others without taking in any info many of us post.
You think after this radiation topic dies down you can maybe help educate him on 9/11 or the true age of the earth?
I'd be crushed. Would you hug me instead?Don't take it personal if I don't shake your hand when we meet.
Can't wait to see what you think about those.
Educating me? I already knew that.
FYI... I spend 6 years supporting the nuclear weapons theater in Europe. If you recall, on past threads, I was never very concerned about DU, and the pyrophoric nature is why it makes great armor piercing rounds.
A buddy of mine at work used to work on submarine nuclear reactors.
LOL...
Whatever...
Best case scenario:
some of the workers will eventually die of radiation exposure...
Worst case scenario:
nobody knows yet how many ppl could eventually die
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ex.html?hpt=T1
Radiation in water rushing into sea tests millions of times over limit
okyo (CNN) -- Japanese utility and government authorities suffered fresh setbacks Tuesday with the detection of radiation in a fish and news that water gushing from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant into the Pacific had radiation levels more than millions of times above the regulatory limit.
Readings from samples taken Saturday in the concrete pit outside the turbine building of the plant's No. 2 reactor -- one of six at the crisis-plagued plant -- had radiation 7.5 million times the legal limits, said an official with the Tokyo Electric Power Company, which runs the plant. Newer findings, from Tuesday afternoon, showed a slight drop to 5 million times the norm.
The utility company also noted Tuesday that the radiation levels diminished sharply a few dozen meters from the leak, consistent with their assessment that the spill might have a minimal effect on sealife. But even in these spots, radiation levels remained several hundred-thousand times the legal limit.
The entire issued underlined that getting a grip on how to minimize the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is the new, primary battlefront in the weeks-long crisis at the nuclear plant.
About the same time as the Tokyo Electric news, Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the presence of radioactive iodine "in one sample of fresh fish" prompted authorities to regulate the radiation in seafood for the first time.
While fishing has been forbidden within 20 kilometers (12 miles) of Fukushima Daiichi, there had been no restrictions on seafood, as there were for some vegetables and milk from certain locales. Now, the same radiation standards that apply to vegetables will apply to ocean products as well.
"The "provisional ingestion limit, equivalent to vegetables and applied to fish and s fish, will take effect immediately," the Cabinet minister said.
Earlier Tuesday, Edano apologized for the decision to intentionally dump 11,500 tons of radioactive water into the sea -- all part of the effort to curb the flow of the more toxic liquid spotted days ago rushing from outside the No. 2 unit.
The process of expelling contaminated water in the plant's water treatment facility and around several of its reactors began Monday and will take five days, a Tokyo Electric official said.
"The water contains a high level of radiation," Edano said of the liquid being dumped into the Pacific. "We are sorry for this decision we have to make."
The most contaminated batches of this water comes from outside the No. 6 reactor, likely having gotten in via groundwater (and not a breach in the unit itself), officials said. It has a concentration of iodine-131 that would be 100 times more than the maximum amount of tap water that infants could drink, and 10 times more than what would be OK in food.
Overall, the dump equates to about 3 million gallons, notes Gary Was, a nuclear engineering professor from the University of Michigan.
Yet Hidehiko Nishiyama, an official with Japan's nuclear and industrial safety agency, said, "We've decided that discharging the contaminated water into the sea poses no major health hazard."
Experts say this is a fair assessment, given the likelihood the contamination should quickly dilute, especially if the tainted material is largely iodine-131, which loses half its radiation every eight days.
"To put this in perspective, the Pacific Ocean holds about 300 trillion swimming pools full of water, and they are going to release about five swimming pools full," said Timothy Jorgensen, chair of the radiation safety committee at Georgetown University Medical Center. "So hopefully the churning of the ocean and the currents will quickly disperse this so that it gets to very dilute concentrations relatively quickly."
John Till, president of the South Carolina-based Risk Assessment Corp., said he does not expect to see any permanent effects on marine life, even close to the plant. However, he added that officials should monitor radiation levels closely -- in the ocean as well as in seafood that reach restaurants and markets.
One piece of good news, according to Japanese government reports, is that airborne radiation appears to be steadily falling around northeast Japan. Two measures from 15 kilometers or less from the plant showed amounts of radioactive iodine-131 at between 2 and 3.7 times the legal standard, with levels of a far longer-lasting cesium isotope well below the official limit.
Also, utility and government officials have described conditions recently in the Fukushima Daiichi plant's reactors and spent nuclear fuel pools as generally stable. There have been exceptions -- like the new need to pump 3-meter deep water from a drain outside the Nos. 5 and 6 units for fear it could rise, enter nearby turbine buildings and short out power for the units' nuclear fuel cooling systems. But such problems aren't occuring at the same pace, or with the same apparent severity, as was evident weeks ago.
The top priority, however, is stopping the water that's been gushing directly into the Pacific through a cracked concrete shaft outside the No. 2 reactor.
Edano said Monday that the decision to dump tainted water from other reactors and the waste water treatment facility was "unavoidable" in order to ensure "the safety" of the No. 2 reactor core.
The idea is to expeditiously pump the tainted water from around the No. 2 reactor's turbine building, lowering levels inside so that water no longer rushes out into the sea, a Japanese nuclear safety official said. This comes after two attempts failed to plug the problematic crack -- one by pouring in concrete, the other using a chemical compound mixed with sawdust and newspaper.
Reactors No. 1 and No. 3, which have lower levels of water, need to be drained as well. Tokyo Electric's plan is to pump that water to other storage tanks, including some that still need to be set up. Water in and around the Nos. 5 and 6 reactors are being jettisoned directly in the sea, officials said.
Another big problem may be that authorities still don't know how exactly the gushing water got contaminated, where it came from, or how to fix potential leaks and cracks deep inside the reactor complex and nuclear fuel.
Michael Friedlander, a former senior U.S. nuclear engineer, said late Monday that authorities will continue to have problems related to excess, radioactive water -- and the need to dump some of it -- as long as they inject huge amounts in to prevent fuel rods from overheating in reactors' cores and spent fuel pools.
"This is not a one-off deal," Friedlander said of dumping adioactive water into the ocean. "This issue of water and water management is going to plague them until they can get (fully operating) long-term core cooling."
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Horrible. We won't know the true impact of this event for quite some time.
Japan raising fish legal radiation limit
what's the point of having a limit if you gonna raise it when there is a nuclear crisis
Maybe there's a shorter half-life than expected? I dunno. Shady either way. Japan has not handled this crisis well. Of course, they're doing a lot better than we did with Katrina, but still.Japan raising fish legal radiation limit
what's the point of having a limit if you gonna raise it when there is a nuclear crisis
Those are some awfully heavy elements. It seems like they would drop to the ocean bottom fairly quickly (like panning for gold) and create a nasty little dead zone offshore...
:shrug
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201104040141.htmlThe idea being contemplated is to lower a silt fence into the water. Silt fences are used in civil engineering projects to prevent the spread of polluted water. The fence is suspended from a float and extends to the seabed like a curtain and is designed to limit the movement of seawater.
The water off the coast of the Fukushima No. 1 plant has a depth of between five to six meters. One idea being considered is to install the fence near the seawater intake from where contaminated water is flowing as well as near embankments that surround the waters off the plant site.
TEPCO also said Monday it had started pouring low-level radioactive water into the sea. The amount of the relatively uncontaminated water is 11,500 tons at the facilities to process wastewater and in the buildings which house the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, it added.
The release of the water may affect fish and seaweed near the plant, but TEPCO officials explain that eating these on a daily basis will total only as much as one-fourth the amount of radiation that people receive from natural sources.
Since most folks are now interested in the seawater concentration, I've attached a link to the pdf which shows how and where the water is being sampled.
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_i...302167890P.pdf
It should be noted that the final graph is logarithmic, that is, every vertical line is a multiple of ten.
I've also attached a pdf link of the air kerma (dose rates) in the affected area.
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_i...302144863P.pdf
And finally some specifics on the recators themselves including the exact readings obtained from the concrete pit of Reactor 2.
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_i...302175357P.pdf
Some notes:
Radiation dose higher than 1000 mSv was measured at the surface of water ac ulated on the basement of Unit 2 turbine building and in the tunnel for laying piping outside the building on Mar. 27th.
Plutonium was detected from the soil sampled at Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS site on Mar. 21st, 22nd, 25th and 28th. The amount is so small that the Pu is not harmful to human body.
Radioactive materials exceeding the regulatory limit have been detected from seawater sample collected in the sea surrounding the Fukushima Dai-ichi NPS since Mar. 21st.
On Apr. 5th, 7.5 million times the legal limit of radioactive iodine, I-131, was detected from the seawater, which had been sampled near the water intake of Unit 2 on Apr. 2nd.
It was found on Apr. 2nd that there was highly radioactive (more than 1000mSv/hr) water in the concrete pit housing electrical cables and this water was leaking into the sea through cracks on the concrete wall. It was confirmed on Apr. 6th that the leakage of water stopped after injecting a hardening agent into holes drilled around the pit. Release of some 10,000 tons of low level radioactive wastewater into the sea began on Apr. 4th, in order to make room for the highly radioactive water mentioned above.
Regarding the influence of the low level radioactive waste release, TEPCO evaluated that eating fish and seaweed caught near the plant every day for a year would add some 25% of the dose that the general pubic receive from the environment for a year.
According to Wild Cobra the future of Japan is looking "Bright"
We have one area that might glow, but the rest of the nation should be fine.According to Wild Cobra the future of Japan is looking "Bright"
Wild Nobra
You have the nerve to compare Radiation leaking to the USA no worst than eating a banana?
For the love of all that is Holy ...mail me some of that your smoking.
Make a trip to Oregon some time and get some of our native home grown bud.For the love of all that is Holy ...mail me some of that your smoking.
Dude you live by Mount St. Helens?
The drive and walk makes for a nice day trip. It's about 2 hours away. Lived in The Dalles when she blew, had ash on my property.
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