Phil: Kobe's Very First Words To MJ Was: "I Can Beat You 1 on 1"

[Giuseppe]

You say that like it matters. It's still:

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5

And it will stay that way forever.

Does lakerfan really seriously feel like Kobe is better than MJ? Like legitimately?

Jordan always lead his team to the playoffs, even with ty players around him. Can't say the same for Kobe.

But, Jordan couldn't ring without Pippen. Kobe had no problem repeating without Daddy, and without Gasol.

& yes, I can't dispute Jordan 6-5 over Kobe, but, Kobe is far from finished. Jordan is locked at 6.

[baseline bum]

Pippen saved Jordan from the Media hordes. Media tried the same stunt with Daddy. Kobe though headed 'em off at the pass as Pippen did for MJ.

Scottie Pippen

Head them off at the pass? I hate that cliche.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think Jordan paid off his bets though.

His dad would still be alive if that were true...

[ElNono]

But, Kobe still rang without Daddy & without Gasol.

Jordan never rang without Pippen.

But, Jordan still rang without Dennis Rodman and Steve Kerr.

Kobe never rang without Fisher.

[Giuseppe]

Yup.

, LeBron led a team of scrubs to to the NBA Finals in 2007. Kobe couldn't lead a team of scrubs to a bowling alley.

We're not doing :"to the NBA Finals." Uh, uh. You either ring, or, you're in last place with 28 other teams.

That's the rule. It was that way when Kobe couldn't ring/sans Daddy, and it's gonna be that way going forth.

[Riddler]

Yup.

, LeBron led a team of scrubs to to the NBA Finals in 2007. Kobe couldn't lead a team of scrubs to a bowling alley.

Lakerfan response: " But, But, LeBron played in the watered down East!!! While Kobe's team had a 3-1 lead and couldn't finish because it was SOO tough in the West"

[Giuseppe]

Kobe never rang without Fisher.

I got no problem with that.

[ElNono]

Lakerfan response: " But, But, LeBron played in the watered down East!!! While Kobe's team had a 3-1 lead and couldn't finish because it was SOO tough in the West"

lol not taking shots to make a point...

[Bill_Brasky]

But, Jordan couldn't ring without Pippen. Kobe had no problem repeating without Daddy, and without Gasol.

& yes, I can't dispute Jordan 6-5 over Kobe, but, Kobe is far from finished. Jordan is locked at 6.

Doesn't matter who you do it with, 6-5 is 6-5. And you didn't answer my question as to whether you legitimately feel like Kobe > MJ. I don't care who rang with who, I just want you to admit that you really don't think that Kobe > MJ, because I know you don't.

[Giuseppe]

Asked & answered.

[TampaDude]

But, Kobe still rang without Daddy & without Gasol.

No, he did not. I already explained that. I know what you're trying to do with your little semantic trickeration, but it won't work. Everyone knows that Kobe has NEVER won a le playing on a Laker team that had, in the same NBA season, neither Shaq nor Gasol on it. FACT.

[Giuseppe]

Yes, he did.

[Koolaid_Man]

Jordan didnt play in that ty watered down NBA

And while you say without Shaq, does it include "without Gasol" as well?




GTFO

Sure thing...hey yo yo yo...funny thing is that Kobe shows that without Gasol and Shaq he's still has a higher winning percentage and more awards than MJ without Pippen....you ers lose this argument....and you're welcome I know you hate Kool for bringing this out... bring tha noise es....

Kobe (3 Seasons) without Shaq and Gasol:

.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP ( Gasol got there too late )
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

and finally one more time:

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month

[Giuseppe]

Testify, Brother Kool, testify!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill_Brasky]

Sure thing...hey yo yo yo...funny thing is that Kobe shows that without Gasol and Shaq he's still has a higher winning percentage and more awards than MJ without Pippen....you ers lose this argument....and you're welcome I know you hate Kool for bringing this out... bring tha noise es....

Kobe (3 Seasons) without Shaq and Gasol:

.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP ( Gasol got there too late )
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

and finally one more time:

Kobe without Snaq (6 seasons):

.611 win %
3 Finals appearances
2 Championships
1 MVP (Reg season)
2 MVP (Finals)
5 NBA All Defense 1st Team
81 points in 1 game
62 points in 3 quarters (outscored Mavs all by himself)
4 straight 50+ pt games
30 straight 40+ games averaged 40 for a month

So what you're saying is, basketball is a team sport and not even the GOAT(Jordan) could get it done by himself. Gotcha.

[Koolaid_Man]

sing it from the roof tops:

Kobe 3 Seasons without Shaq and Gasol:


.492 win %
0 les
1 Regular Season MVP
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
4-8 playoff record
3 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

Jordan without Pippen (5 seasons):

.430 win %
0 les
0 MVPs
0 Finals MVP
0 Finals appearances
0 Playoff series wins
1-9 playoff record
0 NBA All Defense Team
0 NBA Defensive Player of the year

[Riddler]

lol Kool not understanding the concept of Most Valuable Player

[Dunc n Dave]

Kobe is the constant in his own ringing.

Pippen is the constant in MJ's ringing.

Wrong! Fisher is the constant in Kobe's ringing.

[gaKNOW!blee]

comparing prime kobe to young/wizards MJ

[Koolaid_Man]

So what you're saying is, basketball is a team sport and not even the GOAT(Jordan) could get it done by himself. Gotcha.

So now it's a team sport.... and then

you asked for Kobe without Gasol and Shaq and it's still better than MJ without Pippen...

It must suck to hate Kobe....

[Koolaid_Man]

comparing prime kobe to young/wizards MJ

Comparing MJ playing against watered down compe ion vs Kobe's compe ion....

[BlackSwordsMan]

kobe's first words to kool '' everyone bleeds at first''

[Koolaid_Man]

lol Kool not understanding the concept of Most Valuable Player

Listen when a young and prime MJ had his chance to prove what he could do against Prime compe ion similar to what Kobe faces in his generation today look at the results..It's brutal for MJ...He simply couldn't win when faced with real compeition.... and then

Lost to Millwakee in 4 games
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...
Lost agaisnt Detroit..
Lost against Detroit
Lost again vs Detroit...

couldn't win when it counted.... Now Spin that botiches...

[TampaDude]

Listen when a young and prime MJ had his chance to prove what he could do against Prime compe ion similar to what Kobe faces in his generation today look at the results..It's brutal for MJ...He simply couldn't win when faced with real compeition.... and then

Lost to Millwakee in 4 games
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...
Lost and SWEPT vs Boston...
Lost agaisnt Detroit..
Lost against Detroit
Lost again vs Detroit...

couldn't win when it counted.... Now Spin that botiches...

No spin required.

Jordan: 6

Kobe: 5*

[Isitjustme?]

They weren't his very first words since Kobe went up to Jordan during MJ's Bulls days and asked him for advice in the middle of games.