Uhh, Chicago is the best team in the NBA, imho. The Celtics aren't very good anymore...
He didn't win . . . and he shot 20% from 3 in '07. I hold LBJ to a different standard than Rose. I don't know why . . .
"You mad!"
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He wasn't a favorite. He was the dark horse to get to the finals. He didn't choke away a lead in the big moment.
Not winning one by yourself with Drew Gooden as your next best player is not choking.
"I missed a lot of open shots that I normally make," James said. "You don't see that out of me a lot so when it happens, it's a big surprise."
http://www.nba.com/games/20100511/BO...html#nbaGIlive
So you think being the underdog, all while leading a surprise team all the way to the NBA finals is choking?
Choking, by definition, is being the favorite or having an advantageous position and doing something un-clutch to give that up.
Tbh that Memphis Tigers game was A LOT more CDR choking than Rose.....but the Bulls are getting overrated beyond belief. 2nd round exit.
So, he just hasn't had the opportunity to choke because he's always been the underdog?
The prior link is 2010, btw. Cavs had the best record in the league.
CDR did choke. Big time. Rose also choked last.
Do you think LBJ vs the Spurs in the final was a choke like Rose's, Kyle?
He is not the underdog in every situation. Choking is not missing some last second shots in the regular season.
Choking is the big moments. Rose choked in the biggest of his life.
Well, well, well. What do you know. More people taking my side in a friendly debate with Ohm.
He missed some FTs in college. Sup allanon.
Don't be so obnoxious. You are the one who brought up the fact that he's been to a finals.
Did he choke vs. the Celtics in the ECF last year. Cavs had the best record . . . ?
Lebron didn't choke in against San AntonioPERIOD, but IMO, Rose going 1/2 at the FT line as a 70% shooter (at the time) on that big of a stage isn't choking either, especially when he was dominating the entire game and tournament as a freshman.
Keep in mind, using one missed FT to say Rose isn't clutch was one of allanon's favorite arguments
I'm pretty glad that a lot of you guys are embracing the idea that Rose will choke because trust me HE WILL CHOKE come playoff time. His shooting percentage accross the board are anemic for an MVP and that's within a regular season standard, come playoff time when defense and strategy adjusts to lock up a Superstar, this what seperates great performers from good ones. I DONT BELIEVE Rose has that extra gear for postseason play, pretty soon Murphy's law will kick in and its only a matter of time before we see Rose puts one of the most disappointing postseason performance from an MVP.
If dropping near triple doubles and losing to a better team is choking. Then yes. Lebron choked.
Look, I could very well be wrong, but I see it in Rose. The free throw plays a large role. IMO, those things are meaningful. It doesn't mean they can't over come that, but I just see it.Lebron didn't choke in against San AntonioPERIOD, but IMO, Rose going 1/2 at the FT line as a 70% shooter (at the time) on that big of a stage isn't choking either, especially when he was dominating the entire game and tournament as a freshman.
Keep in mind, using one missed FT to say Rose isn't clutch was one of allanon's favorite arguments
Just like some people know certain players will do certain things in big moments. I see choker in Rose.
I will fully admit I am probably a of a lot closer to being wrong than I am to being right with how great he has played.
However, the highlighted part is the exact definition of choking. You dominate a game to the brink of a win, then fall short on something like a missed FT.
Semis, I meant.
Yes. He had a trip dub in game 6 . . . on 8/21 shooting and 9 TOs.
I'm just saying you can make a case for LeBron choking just as easily as you can for Rose. Too bad LeBron didn't go to college so we could compare apples to apples.
Did he miss a crucial FT at the end? Did they have a lead and he was dominating then all of the dominating stopped in the biggest moment of the game?
He did not choke. Lebron was injured. Its actually quite amazing he was able to drop those numbers with a pretty bad elbow. His teammates did choke, particularly Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison.
That is where we disagree, I guess.
Lebron has never (that I have seen), been the favorite, had the lead at the end in the biggest game at any point in his career and choked it.
I know where your coming from (especially with his new love for chucking Js with 16 seconds left on the shotclock), I just don't agree with over-emphasizing that free throw. From the Bulls games I've seen he's done some moronic things at the end of games.
That FT coulda been nothing more than law of averages. He was 3/4 from the line total in that game as a 70% shooter, missing that free throw brought his % for the game close to his overall FT%.
Under that specific criteria, you may be right.
However, the Cavs did have the best record, #1 seed and home court . . . I remember them being pretty heavily favored to win the series as well.
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