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Oh I know. And it sucks because the media actually thinks we care what they have to say....as if their opinion is somehow more important or valid because they're famous(used to be, in Judd's case).
By the way, if this is misogynistic, then so is Nirvana's "Polly."
Oh I know. And it sucks because the media actually thinks we care what they have to say....as if their opinion is somehow more important or valid because they're famous(used to be, in Judd's case).
Is misogyny determined by the intent of the lyricist or one's interpretation of those lyrics?
I wonder if Ashley Judd has a problem with David Allan Coe.
So how would you interpret Sex Type Thing?
Personally, I enjoy that nice rap ditty about how female dogs are just gardening tools and performances by magicians.
Either or. Wieland's attempts to save his own skin are fairly weak. If Snoop came out and said his was just an attempt to draw attention to the situation we'd all fall over laughing. I feel the same way about Wieland. Dude's record isn't exactly good.
You're welcome to take his word for it though.
Misogyny doesn't begin and end with " " and "ho."
What's also funny is how a white guy with a piano can play that same song and then suddenly it's not bad, it's just hilarious and ironic.
I mean I'm not saying it was clever or good, but I don't have any reason to believe it's not meant to be an anti-rape song told from the perspective of the rapist. Just like "Polly." What else in STP's discography would lead you to believe Weiland would write a song glorifying rape?
If she does it's probably cuz her mom ed him in front of her LOL. But I just say that because I believe I heard she was on tv last week explaining/backpedaling the part of her book that tells about her mom's wild sex life and how emotionally traumatized it left her. Poor airhead
No reason if you ignore Wieland's record of violence with his wife. Pretty big step from a guy who hits women to one who rapes but I'm not going to take that guy's word for it.
Even if you want to write off sex type thing its not like the genre has a shortage of songs that fit the bill.
Everyone has problems and everyone has issues but yeah - I really am not going to cry a river for the rich woman. Maybe kind of cold but you pretty much ask for it when your famous because you're pretty and thats about it.If she does it's probably cuz her mom ed him in front of her LOL. But I just say that because I believe I heard she was on tv last week explaining/backpedaling the part of her book that tells about her mom's wild sex life and how emotionally traumatized it left her. Poor airhead
Bull . That isn't really about es an hos at all. That is only a gangsta thing to say. Rock has it's other issues with satanic, emo, horny, and druggy lyrics but labeling chicks is not one of the issues of it.
I don't know about hilarious, but that IS sort of what irony is... It wouldn't be as satire-friendly if it wasn't so ridiculously over the top.
An important point. Especially since songs in which women are the sexual agents (however misguided and/or problematic they may be) are pretty much the an hesis of misogyny.
Ashley strikes a hard point that is hard, if not impossible to ignore, and although her statement may be characterized as too over reaching she meant well and one cannot make such a statement wihout generating some buzz over it. She meant well and I cannot disagree with her assessment. I am surprised by the lack of support from the Black community and the sisters whom her words address,
And CuckingFunt is as solid as it gets.
Of course not. But I think it's harder to defend when you're blunt about it. Again, if I politely say, "I think you're ignorant in this matter", it sounds better than, "You're an f'ing moron."
So misogyny in music is okay when it's ironic and a white guy with a piano does it.
I don't think making fun of misogyny qualifies as misogyny.
Do you think Ben Folds is a misogynist?
I don't really get the argument that subtlety or politeness is necessarily better. Or preferable. Less offensive, maybe, but that's completely subjective.
In terms of actually shaping or influencing culture, however, I've always thought subtlety to be more problematic specifically because it is so easily dismissed as background noise. And that's the case when it comes to misogyny, racism, heterosexism/ phobia, etc. , ho, ######, got, and the like are pretty universally accepted as crossing a line and, therefore, tend to remove credibility instantly from people who use those terms. It's the subtle stuff, however, the stuff that we make allowances for or explain away as "not that bad," or "not as bad as ____," that tends to have a lasting effect.
True, its hard to fit all of a genre's songs under a convenient umbrella like Judd tried to do with hip-hop. At the end of the day its whats in the artist, lyrics and music that defines the piece rather than just the genre.
However Rock and Roll's origins and the traditional rock and roll fantasy is all about the alpha male perspective which includes objectifying and exploiting women. That might not be straight-up hatred of women but still seems at least somewhat misogynistic.
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