If Jason Terry is with Dallas next season, I am switching back to the Knicks

[monosylab1k]

By your reasoning Roddy could easily lead the Hawks to the playoffs with equally craptacular numbers as Joe.

Take Joe Johnson off the Hawks and they're still a playoff team in the East.

Trade Joe Johnson for Roddy and the Hawks are absolutely worse off, but they're still a playoff team.

[monosylab1k]

As is, the Mavs are very close to contention

die

[DMC]

Wallace would be redundant w/ Marion... gotta hold on to Beaubois for when he unleashes his star potential next year.

Nah, Portland is always the "next year" team. How can Dallas be the next year team with Portland already reserving that spot for the foreseeable future?

[Ghazi]

die

They're a 57 win team this year, 60 if Dirk didn't get hurt, and winning 80% of their games nearly when Dirk/Chandler play. This is w/ Butler missing half the season

If that isn't close to contention, I don't know what is.

[jag]

Take Joe Johnson off the Hawks and they're still a playoff team in the East.

JJ's stats as the number one option for his playoff team don't mean anything now because you don't want them to. Ok

Let's keep comparing stats though. Let me know which ones are significant and which ones aren't.

[midnightpulp]

Knocking Ellis because he doesn't play try to play defense for Golden State doesn't have any legs. Ellis wouldn't hold the bigger perimeter players in the west anyway. And have you seen Roddy play d?

In a way, the Lakers might be the best matchup for the Mavs if Ellis were on the team. This way, you could hide Ellis on Fisher and put Kidd, Marion, or whoever on Kobe.

[Kyle Orton]

Nah, Portland is always the "next year" team. How can Dallas be the next year team with Portland already reserving that spot for the foreseeable future?

Because Dallas has Roddy Beaubois. He's been playing possum his 1st 2 years in the NBA to unleash "next year".

[MavDynasty]

o ye of little faith

WE GOIN TO THE SHIP!

[TE]

die

[Kyle Orton]

They're a 57 win team this year, 60 if Dirk didn't get hurt, and winning 80% of their games nearly when Dirk/Chandler play. This is w/ Butler missing half the season

If that isn't close to contention, I don't know what is.

Close to contention is being able to win 4 consecutive playoff series. The Bulls and Spurs have won 60+ games this year, but neither team is equipped to make a serious championship run.

[jag]

Johnson makes us a contender If we also had big daddy Tyson, but we couldn't have both

In the world of hypotheticals The Mavs would keep Tyson, Dirk, Marion and Kidd, while losing Roddy who would be replaced by Joe Johnson. Mono thinks this move doesn't put Dallas in championship contention. Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I keep forgetting Caron > Joe Johnson

[monosylab1k]

Let's keep comparing stats though. Let me know which ones are significant and which ones aren't.

so far they've all been significant since they've all shown that Joe Johnson isn't an efficient scorer and isn't nearly the athletic slasher he used to be. And Iggy curbstomps him in ever stat available, except points per game. But that's okay because being a team player in a team concept isn't as important as being a chucking #1 option.

[Jelloisjigglin]

If Shannon Brown is still with LA next year I will follow suit

What why? You honestly don't like a player that dribbles the ball for 20 seconds then shoots a fadeaway?

[monosylab1k]

Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I'd love for you to find me saying the Mavs were le contenders with Caron.

[Kyle Orton]

I love how you're acting like Iggy is the king of efficiency. He chucks plenty of re ed off the dribble jumpers at ty times as well. Neither player is perfect, but JJ is more capable of filling the #2 scorers role than Iggy. Iggy's offense is too limited.

[Greg Oden]

In a way, the Lakers might be the best matchup for the Mavs if Ellis were on the team. This way, you could hide Ellis on Fisher and put Kidd, Marion, or whoever on Kobe.

He's no great defender, but he's not god awful either. Who does play D on that team besides Udoh? There's no incentive to.

[midnightpulp]

In the world of hypotheticals The Mavs would keep Tyson, Dirk, Marion and Kidd, while losing Roddy who would be replaced by Joe Johnson. Mono thinks this move doesn't put Dallas in championship contention. Yet somehow the Mavs were a completely different team with Caron playing second fiddle.

I keep forgetting Caron > Joe Johnson

Caron seemed to be a perfect fit chemistry wise until he went down. He knew and played his role to near perfection and the Mavs were arguably the best team in the league.

I really liked what he brought to the Mavs before the injury.

[Kyle Orton]

God dammit ing the Suns are screwing themselves out of the 12th pick right now. Well I guess Utah picking in front of them kills any chance they'll waste a pick on Jimmer which they're def. considering doing.

[monosylab1k]

I'd still prefer brand/iggy to jj tho

see how understudy ignores elton brand and acts like this is just a jj vs. iggy only debate. Iggy alone wouldn't make the Mavs contenders either, nor Brand alone, it's the iggy/brand combo that does it.

[Kyle Orton]

I'd still prefer brand/iggy to jj tho

I'd prefer Beaubois.

[Zelophehad]

Iguodala is so much better on defense than Johnson it more than makes up for any neglible differences on the other end. Scottie Pippen type number two option.

[jag]

I'd love for you to find me saying the Mavs were le contenders with Caron.

The Mavs were one of the best teams in the NBA with the borderline #3-4 option that is Caron Butler acting as the Mavs #2 option.

You don't have to say it.

Yet JJ wouldn't put the Mavs in le contention so a deal involving Roddy isn't even worth it. Ok

[Kyle Orton]

see how understudy ignores elton brand and acts like this is just a jj vs. iggy only debate. Iggy alone wouldn't make the Mavs contenders either, nor Brand alone, it's the iggy/brand combo that does it.

I don't ignore Brand, I just don't consider him. He'd basically be Dirk's backup and wouldn't be in during crunch time. I'm also pretty sure they could trade for Brand's contract alone if they wanted to

[midnightpulp]

He's no great defender, but he's not god awful either. Who does play D on that team besides Udoh? There's no incentive to.

Lol. They probably issue fines to players who try to play defense.

[Kyle Orton]

Also, call me skeptical but I don't see Brand having the year he's having on a team where he's not the 1A or 1B option. Could be wrong, but I don't see Brand having any success in the role he'd play for Dallas.