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Great 60 minutes story 2 years ago about an online poker cheating scandal:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4633254.shtml
You don't want the good internet players to play cuz they'll crush the live players. Tough to dbl my bankroll when my roll is 1500 buyins for 1/2nl. Instead of making $60/hr now I have to sit w/a bunch of degens I can't stand for 8 hrs to make a measly $10-$15/hr. At least that's the short term plan.
Great 60 minutes story 2 years ago about an online poker cheating scandal:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4633254.shtml
Exactly. Its ing horrible.
I can attest to what Manny is saying there was a time last year i was playing 30-60 hours per week. It definitely takes the fun out of the game when you grind like that. But there certainly is plenty of money to be made from the casual, drinking tourists who arent paying attention to the fact that you've been building big pots with big hands and or the nuts all night long yet they still find a reason to pay you off. My favorite line is I've got a plane to catch anyway im all in.
Most of the internet players i played with were either
a. too nitty, tight and predictable or
b. way to agressive. tried to bring their 6 max game skills to a full ring game
trust me that never ends well in the long run.
I welcome either category of those internet players. My favorite is the tourney players sitting down at a cash game and playing like they are in a tournament.
Oh thats another thing that sucks about live. Good luck finding a 6 max game. Full ring makes me slit my wrists.
There's a difference between winning internet player and just a random internet player tho. This is probably bad for the live games, especially the bigger games like 5/10nl, 10/20nl.
At my local casino I was the best player every time I played 1/2nl and I'm a donkament player. The game played like a 1c/2c online game.
Yeah. 20 hands/hr when I'm used to 700/hr is gonna blow. If things continue to suck I might move to Canada w/a friend.
snort some coke buy a gun and show the government why you dont with duncan_21
lol. ill probably move or get a regular job. I don't remember what a work week that is more then 30 hrs is like. At least we got the playoffs!!!
Spurs playoffs? You're excited? I think the gun option has a better pay off even if you die in the end
I'm also a Bulls fan too.
This is such bull . Our ing government has no business telling us what we can do with our money. It's so hypocritical. Opponents claim poker leads to financial hardship; especially the lower middle class. Yet state lotteries are continually encouraged and promoted. Who do you think are buying the most tickets? The lower middle class.
I get it. Revenues from lotteries and other vices like beer and tobacco allow our government to turn a blind eye. The ppa and all it's membership has implored the government to regulate and tax poker. There are over 10 million online poker players. But I guess nothing will be done and I'll continue to shake my head at the hypocrisy while I'm waiting five minutes in line while somebody mulls over which scratch-offs to get with their $50.
Btw, Manny, I bumped into you a few years back downtown at a barpoker tourney. I think you said you were multi-tabling the sit-n-go's on party poker at the time. Thanks for the poker advice.
This is really bad for me. fml
You want them all to play so instead of seeing 20 empty tables or 3 people per table, you have a wait. People on a wait will not even wait for the button. They will just buy in.
I think online poker is a lot like the house flipping scam. People think they can sustain a living from it but realize soon it's a fairytale. Any en y that has to have it's accounts on the Isle of Man or some other offshore location, and who runs when subpoenaed by a US court isn't some en y I trust to not skim money from me, or to tweak the game to get the maximum rake they can. I also don't trust them individually to not do what Scott Tom and those other clowns did by entering tournaments under super user accounts and either colluding or flat out stealing money. There's no regulation or recourse. If you give them your bank account information you are an idiot or your account isn't that important to you.
So they have on business telling you that you cannot buy an 8-ball of cocaine, a hooker or stolen merchandise? Gambling is illegal unless it's sanctioned. Sucks, but that's how it is. We are the government btw... go vote.
Poker is fine as long as the state gets it's rake from an en y they can police. Tobacco and alcohol are still legal and they kill more people than Stalin.It's so hypocritical. Opponents claim poker leads to financial hardship; especially the lower middle class. Yet state lotteries are continually encouraged and promoted. Who do you think are buying the most tickets? The lower middle class.
I think it's going to bite them in the ass. Online sites get people interested in poker, so they will go to a casino. Poker has exploded since online sites popped up, and now the WPT is huge as is the WSOP. Surely the taxes from those things and the spending they cause is substantial.I get it. Revenues from lotteries and other vices like beer and tobacco allow our government to turn a blind eye. The ppa and all it's membership has implored the government to regulate and tax poker. There are over 10 million online poker players. But I guess nothing will be done and I'll continue to shake my head at the hypocrisy while I'm waiting five minutes in line while somebody mulls over which scratch-offs to get with their $50.
I have a friend who is a professional poker player. According to him, some sites are more lucrative than others, but b&m is pretty much all the same. Unlike b&m however, it's very hard to detect collusion online but it occurs a lot more than people think. In fact, colluding players are likely to be the most upset over this, because they are the ones making a profit from it.
Bro, people do maintain a living by flipping houses and playing poker. However, I think you are right in that more people think they can maintain a living from it than actually can. But that has nothing to do with what you mentioned but rather the overall level of skill.
What AB/UB did was ed up and I think everyone knows that. They were exposed not from the outside, but from players INSIDE the community who are vigilant. When poker bots become an issue, who finds them? The poker community. When someone s over someone else in the community regarding a transfer, stake or other issue the community is self correcting.
Pokerstars and Full Tilt are legit. The money is stored safely in 3rd party accounts of major European banks. I don't vouch for AB/UB obviously and the smaller sites are way more suspect but Full Tilt and Pokerstars are as legit as the casinos down my street ( - probably more legit but thats a whole different rant). I have no doubts everyone with money on those sites will get them back the same way that it has happened everytime something like this goes down.
What WILL happen as well as a result of this action, however, is that more small and actual shady sites will pop up. Online poker won't stop even with this, it will simply get worse and there will be more actual criminal activity as a result.
Of course they have no business telling you if you want to gt a hooker or an eightball. That they do it doesn't make it right. Buying stolen goods is obviously completely different but it doesn't surprise me that you lumped up.
There's an actual legal debate on whether online offering poker services is illegal in this country. I expect it to play out in the courts but I have no idea how good the legs of that argument are.
Just because the government makes something illegal or tries to doesn't make that action wrong.
They are incredibly stupid for not taxing and regulating it. Blame the GOP because this is ALL on them.Poker is fine as long as the state gets it's rake from an en y they can police. Tobacco and alcohol are still legal and they kill more people than Stalin.
I think it's going to bite them in the ass. Online sites get people interested in poker, so they will go to a casino. Poker has exploded since online sites popped up, and now the WPT is huge as is the WSOP. Surely the taxes from those things and the spending they cause is substantial.
If your friend thinks B&M is the same as online then a couple of situations come to mind.I have a friend who is a professional poker player. According to him, some sites are more lucrative than others, but b&m is pretty much all the same. Unlike b&m however, it's very hard to detect collusion online but it occurs a lot more than people think. In fact, colluding players are likely to be the most upset over this, because they are the ones making a profit from it.
1) he's a very high limit player. In this case B&M would actually be just as good if not better because you don't need to see many hands an hour to clear a nice profit. I doubt this is the case.
2)Otherwise he's wrong. Detecting collusion online happens all the time. I've discussed this ad nauseum here on this site so believe what you like, but your friend is absolutely wrong. And there is no way B&M can be the same because it fails in lots of ways compared to playing online such as:
-higher rake plus a toke. When I win online I don't have to tip anyone. All the sites have lower rakes, and if you're a pro and don't have a rakeback deal then you're the worst pro I've seen in my life. When I finished up, over half of my winnings were coming from rakeback because my volume was really high.
-Slower hands. 30 hands an hour with a good dealer. Fewer with a bad dealer. Thats a fraction of the amount of hands you can see online. If you have an edge over your opponents you want to see as many hands as possible because you make money on each hand. Also, you get to know your opponents MUCH faster and you have far more detail on them. I can still pull up my hand databases and look at how specific hands were played. I'd need a big ass ing notebook to do that live.
-Mul abling. Can you sit at 6-8 tables live at the same time? No and once again this adds to the volume.
If you're a 2-3BB/100 winner online at 2-5 you're killing it. You'd probably win four or five times that rate at 2-5 live. But you'd also lose a few BB an hour due to a toking and you because you'd be seeing about 20x fewer hands its going to add up much slower.
Its no where near the same.
I wonder if that, like, $38 I had on Bodog is still there...I haven't opened that in years.
You can lol all you want (heads up lol is now considered gay) but i was making a point about playing poker online as a whole.
And how many people who felt it was rigged sent in numerous complaints and that alerted many different agencies to look into it. After online poker was exposed to many watch dog groups and bored ATF/FBI type organizations they began to probe it much deeper. Since then all these online poker sites have been under the microscope for all kinds of things such as taxes,underage gamblers,fraud, and so on. I was merely pointing out that these sites could shut down at anytime like they do the Pyramid schemes at work. And if you have money trapped in their system you may have a hard time retrieving it.
I did allot of online gambling with sports. I started with 50.00 dollars that the site would give you if you signed up. I put the 50.00 dollars on the Packers to beat the Cowboys then put the 100.00 I made on the Colts. then put the 200 on the Vikes then put the 300 on the undefeated Colts who lost to the 0-10 Bengals. I could have just walked away with the 300 but I was hooked.
Gambling is only second to crack cocaine when it comes to addiction and even Manny has to admit he could win 10,000.00 dollars today and let it ride tomorrow.
Point is it doesn't matter how many poker sites they shut down another one will pop up somewhere else as long as there is a demand for a product someone will supply it.
Not really. You are voting on losing "options" and have no control whatsoever over The Federal Reserve. Also, I know our boy Barney Frank has been an online poker crusader, but lol voting for that gentleman.
The 2 big sites were safe, however I would never trust absolute poker and ultimate bet. I've been playing online for 6 years and never has money been stolen from me. Online poker is nothing like a house flipping scam, lol bad analogies.
Did Mouse say I was addicted to online poker? Holy next BigZak is going to tell me I'm crazy and JoeChalupa will call me boring.
WTF exactly is your point?
That poker has shown addictive tendencies so its dangerous and should be banned? How many people are dead because of alcohol and tobacco?
Or is it that since people have been caught cheating, poker should be banned? Maybe since certain CEO's and CFO's have cheated investors in the past, they should ban trading shares too. Down with Wall Street!
Hypocrisy man!
It is....... what it is brah!
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