Where did you see me post the word Banned?
I was replying to another poster, I love online poker. I just don't like some 23 year old hacker tempting Manny to go all in when he can see his cards.
Maybe you should read again my postings.
Hindsight is 20/20. I would never trust a video poker system that can be tweaked to gain maximum rakes. RNGs are not the problem though. The problem is that these sites are run by several people, and those people have access to things they won't tell you about.
Anyone who thinks all sites don't have the same operating software and ability to host superuser accounts is naive. They are not regulated, no oversight. That's all I need to know to not put my money with them.
I take it that you don't vote.
There actually is oversight. They are audited on a regular basis and as I pointed out the poker community provides oversight. How do you think AP/UB's scam was unearthed?
That was your earlier post. It's a different discussion for a different topic. But when you post it on this topic thread, naturally anybody is going to view this as an argument in support of these indictments.
And again, your post I quoted earlier can clearly be interpreted that you're against online poker because of addiction and cheating.
If the biggest concern is cheating, then just regulate it. I guarantee, if cheaters know that they face stiff punishment if caught cheating, you'll see VERY few occurrences.
That's misleading (inside the community). They were just players on the site, people who were ripped off in a tournament and requested hand histories. They were not inside of anything. The "community" you speak of is just a term for "customer", just as you and I are not the HEB community because we shop there. So, it was not revealed from anyone on the inside. In fact, the insiders denied it. Were it not for a up with sending everyone's hand history, that would never have been known.
This reminds me of people who think the next President will be the honest one, even though none of the rest were.
Unregulated industry has never proven to be honest over time.
They are no more legit than UB was. Just because they are popular doesn't make them legit. They are not regulated by the gaming commission, at least their online sites are not.Pokerstars and Full Tilt are legit. The money is stored safely in 3rd party accounts of major European banks. I don't vouch for AB/UB obviously and the smaller sites are way more suspect but Full Tilt and Pokerstars are as legit as the casinos down my street ( - probably more legit but thats a whole different rant). I have no doubts everyone with money on those sites will get them back the same way that it has happened everytime something like this goes down.
I doubt that will happen. If that could happen it would happen. There are hundreds of thousands of con artists who spend countless hours in hole nations trying to concoct scams to make money. They aren't waiting for Pokerstars to fail.What WILL happen as well as a result of this action, however, is that more small and actual shady sites will pop up. Online poker won't stop even with this, it will simply get worse and there will be more actual criminal activity as a result.
You obviously don't know very much about online poker or the community, DMC. I suggest some research at twoplustwo.com then coming back to discuss it. You're very wrong on many accounts.
Regarding your last point there, of course there will be smaller and shadier sites popping up now. The Justice Dept didn't go after all of the sites they just went after the big 3. A little understanding of the history of any prohibition will prove this to be the same story just a different day.
Did you say regulate it?
Anyway, I imagine online poker will be legalized and played on a new poker site. But it sucks that we'll have to wait more than a year for it.
Also, another affect is illegal live games. When I lived in San Antonio I knew of tons of live games with insane rakes. These games weren't very safe as they were at risk of either law enforcement raids or worse, robberies. You can look up these instances on MYSA.com I'm sure and fewer online games will certainly push people in that direction as well.
If you think you have to wait a year to put your credit card on another online poker site then I have some Ryan leaf Rookie cards to sell you.
You can do it now. No need to wait a year.
I wouldn't play on any of the sites left, though. Some are OK, but yeah, no.
Yeah regulate it. The only person who ever saw other people's hole cards was a top level executive. Yeah, this is open news and may have happened again but these sites cant police, only ban and withhold funds. Worth the risk for any cheater. But anyway, it's all about statistics. Even the best players can only win at a certain rate. This executive was caught because his win rate (which is open to the public through certain websites) was abnormal. it's not too hard to find suspect players, especially if you're Big Brother.
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can you regulate medicare fraud? Can you regulate government corruption?
Can you regulate tainted beef in our stores? what makes you think you can regulate people online?
Fair point. But i think the business model has already been put forth by pokerstars and fulltilt. Absolute poker used the CEREUS poker network which had previously shown vulnerabilities. They knew about the cheating months in advance. They answered complaints by saying no cheating was happening. Why? because they are a business that surely isn't going to shut down and investigate and lose millions in revenue now and 100's of millions later through bad press. Why hasn't pokerstars and Full tilt had the same problem? Because you need someone on the inside. Players win rate's are available to the public. If it's regulated, then employees are subject to government terms (background checks, surveillance, lie detector tests, heavy punishment, etc.). I swear, the ppa is the only organization begging to be taxed. Just let us play.
Could cheating happen? sure. You just gave two examples.
Sounds good, but are you going to trust govt peoples track record?
EPA. Here to regulate air quality. NYCity after years of scammy building practices had God only knows what kind of poisonous crap come down in the fallen buildings at 9/11. Dust all over the place. EPA: "Oh yeah it's safe, don't flee the scene workers or residents."
Later. "Oopsies, yeah we lied. Sorry about your lungs and cancer. Can't do nothing about it now tho."
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^ good points being posted ^
But lets face it people love to gamble and don't want to be told what they can or can't do with they're hard earned cash.
I think one solution is to have Legit casinos in all states. I doubt many people who live in Atlantic city or Vegas do much online poker playing when they can just take a 5 minute ride and play with real people or a machine that pays right there on the spot.
Rather than play against some images on they're computer monitors.
After all how many in this topic knows anyone who pays their rent each month with the winnings from online poker? And yet I met many in Vegas that do just that.
Not to mention drinking shots of crown for a dollar from a girl wearing sexy lingerie, you can't beat it.
Alvarzez I know you're from Brazil where law doesn't matter but in America it does.
"law doesn't matter but in America it does."
esp if you're poor, black, brown, then the law is extremely well enforced.
if you're white and wealthy, at worst, you "settle" for a no-guilt-admission handslap, no arrest record destroying your job opps.
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