You could make a case that the refs were just as responsible as Pop for taking Duncan out of the game in the second half. It's really on Duncan though, because he didn't man the up when he couldn't get a few calls to go his way.
I didn't explain it clearly...
TP kept being agressive and as he said in the game quotes he and Hill wanted to be more agressive to the rim in the 2nd half, so yes he shot a lot
What I meant was that I don't understand why Pop doesn't take advantage of TP's abilities and draw plays for him.
TP is able to create his own shot, but that doesn't mean he couldn't use some help...
Aren't the ways Tony is used on offense pretty similar to those of Manu? Both guards run a lot of pick and roll, and the ball is often put in both players' hands to allow them to create simply because they can.I didn't explain it clearly...
TP kept being agressive and as he said in the game quotes he and Hill wanted to be more agressive to the rim in the 2nd half, so yes he shot a lot
What I meant was that I don't understand why Pop doesn't take advantage of TP's abilities and draw plays for him.
TP is able to create his own shot, but that doesn't mean he couldn't use some help...
lol the sexting and rap arguments were thrown in there rather trollishly along with the use of "upon further review" to make it seem something scientifically analyzed, when it clearly isn't, and the laughing emoticon,, at the end of the statement also reveals some sort of goofiness in the assessment.
lol, ok you have your opinion, sure maybe a little stupid, but I still think he may have been forcing it too much. Shot selection, as you may tell, is one of my biggest basketball pet peeves, and as already stated that's why I've bashed Manu so much this year. I hate seeing a player shoot something like 4-16 during the game and then take a bad shot in crunch time when there are other options. Especially when that player has a much more reliable option, like driving the lane and either scoring or drawing a foul (these exact lines could apply to Manu's past play as well, word for word). At the end of the day, I was specifically addressing something very defined, and not Tony's play overall, which some people don't seem to understand.
your poste sounded like a CoM member at full force which was surprising indeed because you used to be pretty harsh on Manu and quite fair so I was wtf ? Erin, rap and TP clutch ?
I don't think at all he wanted to prove a point, I just think he took a bad decision, it happens.
I'm frustrated by his level of play during this game but we have to recognize, he tried and played with heart drawing 16 FTs. I wish Pop could coach the same way, aggressive, his bonner / hill running the plays / tp can't breathe w/o asking antics and lack of focus on D are beginning to get old tbh.
For the first I wish another coach had pop job, a guy like Thib
How does Hill escape blame when he was so bad and Parker gets so much blame when he was so much better?
Tony is a "leader" Hill is a "soldier" I expect him to make a bad play, Tony has been here a lot more times then Hill.
And I still am. I hold my teams' best players to higher standards. Tony obviously isn't an exception.
Well, I agree with you about Tony giving a strong effort in this game, there is no doubt. And I really haven't bashed Tony in a really long stretch of time, and that's for a reason; he's played really well this year. , In my opinion I think I barely have in this thread because the scope in this case is such a small subject (shot decision at end of 1 game, vs. overall play).I don't think at all he wanted to prove a point, I just think he took a bad decision, it happens.
I'm frustrated by his level of play during this game but we have to recognize, he tried and played with heart drawing 16 FTs. I wish Pop could coach the same way, aggressive, his bonner / hill running the plays / tp can't breathe w/o asking antics and lack of focus on D are beginning to get old tbh.
For the first I wish another coach had pop job, a guy like Thib
I simply think Tony's maturity level for a man of his age is not as high as others, but that doesn't mean I think it's very low either. Probably average, which means he's human and things like jealousy and insecurity can exist. A man who puts out videos of him with women all around, flashy lifestyle (Tony, we know you're rich and can clearly pull the majority of women), with a y at ude and is likely sometimes spitting out a few questionable or ridiculous words (since most rappers do, although here I'm admitting I haven't bothered to listen to all of his raps), and who sexts the wife from an ex-teammate, a well-regarded member of some of those championship teams and all around nice guy, is likely to be somewhat immature (note: I am a fan of rap music, if that makes a difference). Again, I'm not saying he's ridiculously immature or anything, in my opinion probably no more than your average person. But immaturity translates to all walks of life, it doesn't necessarily stay off the basketball court.
You think it would be outrageous to believe a player who is arguably doing more for a team's success enjoys, or is indifferent, to the fact that another player on the team gets more media recognition and also seems to be the fan favorite? Manu shows up in MVP talk, even though he certainly doesn't deserve it for a variety of reasons, and Tony is not mentioned. Manu AND Tim went to the All-Star game, Tony did not. Manu is heavily regarded as the Spurs closer, and the emphasis on the is because it's usually talked about in such a way that makes him seem to be the only clutch player on the team, even though Tony also has his moments during the end of games as well. Well, to be honest, the majority of people would probably not be 100% indifferent to these facts if they were in Tony's shoes, and this is how my original connection came through.
I'm not so sure I wouldn't be 100% indifferent to it all either, and I don't think it's some ridiculous thing, only human. The underlying facts come back to lack of recognition on so many fronts, and I just don't see how making that connection to perhaps (just maybe, not saying it WAS the case) wanting to prove a point is all that outrageous. After all, the sole purpose of making a rap video if you already are filthy rich is to draw attention, like proving a point. Don't tell me he does it because if he didn't, he would feel millions of people would be missing out on his musical brilliance
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Pop shouldn't have taken the ball away from the "leader" and given it to the "soldier" for three quarters then.
I can't believe there is even still a Tony/Manu argument. It's ridiculous. Tony is not a clutch player. He's just not. He does stupid things on both ends of the floor all the time. Say what you want about Manu about taking maybe a bad step back three or having a turnover by trying to dribble through two people or whatever, but he would NEVER take a jumper in that situation, with NINE seconds on the shot clock, like Tony did today. Never. Manu wouldn't leave the other team's best 3-pt shooter wide open at the end of the game either.
The entire second quarter we had zero assists. Would that have EVER happened with Manu playing? Not a chance. Parker shooting 4-of-16? Just a joke. He's not a point guard. He's Monta Ellis with better teammates.
Even that second Bonner three, Tony didn't make that pass to him even though he was WIDE open. He tried to take it himself, took a bad shot, we got a lucky board by Tim who kicked it out to Bonner for the three. We could've had another wide open look but Tony took another stupid shot when we were up 98-96. WITH NINE SECONDS TO GO ON THE SHOT CLOCK.
Tony never wants to pass. He always wants to be the hero, whenever Pop gives him the chance to do it instead of Manu because he wants to show he can do it. Manu doesn't give a about scoring or passing, he just wants to get the best shot for the team every time. He makes plays scoring, passing, defense, drawing charges, whatever he can for the team to win. Tony just scores and plays for the greater glory of Tony ing Parker.
I'm so sick and tired of it. Same weaknesses for 9 years and it never changes. If Parker isn't scoring he has NO value. He's a liability in every other facet of the game.
this one is totally on Tony's shoulders.
Well, shot selection this season certainly doesn't support this. It has been re ed. Hopefully that changes in the playoffs, otherwise this team has no chance, they need him playing like he did post-All Star break of last year.
And oh boy, I can't wait to see reactions on the rest of your post. Should be entertaining
The advantage the Spurs have in this series is their back-court with TP, Manu, Hill, and Neal. They HAVE to recognize that and take advantage of it....
Exactly. And the backcourt sucked this morning. They had their moments, but were very inconsistent.
For some reason, Tony has become so spastic in end game situations that he almost seems hesitant to run the offense. His idea of getting a good shot is taking a screen top of the key and then pulling up for that 18-footer, which seems like it has been incredibly unclutch for him recently.
Until Parker is ready to step up and be a hero consistently, shooting contested jumpers in the crunch isn't going to get it done.
Spurs, on the other hand, would be well served to stop letting guys parade right to the rim in the closing minute of the game.
However, you do seem to agree with my stance that there's a chance Tony was trying to prove a point
This. I think it was Gasol that would have had to come to stop his penetration. Unless I am mistaken, Gasol had 5 fouls at that time too.
Wait a minute...are you saying you think the type of person that s over an ex-teammate champion, who is an all around nice guy and is positively regarded by most people, via trying to his wife could be the type of player who may sometimes lean towards playing for his own greater glory????
As Sacha Baren Cohen's Bruno often puts it, "Coincidence or not?"
I do blame TP for the breakdown at the end, but up until then he played pretty well, although he missed several chances for and 1's with layups he normally makes. But that was terrible decision to shoot, Bonner was wide open, and he had made 2 in a row, he seemed to have the hot hand but never got the ball to make a solid attempt at a shot.
I don't blame Hill for the offense sputtering when he is in there as the point, everyone else just seem to stand around, they didn't set screens or picks for him like they did fro TP.
That's aaronstampler/roycrikside's schtick. The only thing he is capable of doing is posting pathological eye-crossed mouth-foaming hatred of Tony Parker. It's like ducks without the entertainment value.And oh boy, I can't wait to see reactions on the rest of your post. Should be entertaining
He got run off under his old name but still posts the same under the new one.
Tony Parker has said it before. He’d like to earn the trust Manu Ginobili has had.
It’s been one of the few gaps in Parker’s résumé. He’s been a part of championships, and he’s made All-Star teams, and he’s won his share of games.
But in final possessions, Gregg Popovich has made Ginobili his closer — instead of his point guard — choosing to live with whatever Ginobili decides.
What happened Sunday won’t change that.
That’s been the life of Parker. He’s been the third wheel of the Big Three, worthy of their company but rarely seen as their equal.
He was instrumental in last season’s upset of Dallas, and he’s arguably been more consistent this season than any Spur. But it’s never been enough, not with Ginobili and Tim Duncan as his partners.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...sing-argument/
Sure, TP sucked in Game 1, but he wasn't the only one. Why Pop would go to Hill as main playmaker when he's position is SG is just ridiculous. I trust Hill as a slasher and defender but as playmaker and making smart decisions on the fly? not so much.
To even insinuate that TP was looking for his own glory is insulting. Come on, he's been with SA for 9 yrs. Granted, he might be feeling like the under-appreciated one of the Big Three (which he is), but he's a Spur and it's the playoffs. These guys are taught year after year to get over themselves. Call it bad decision making, but to think that he just pulled up to show people that he's a hero is. There's a very thin line between having the guts to take the last shot and trying to play the hero.
TP knows how to run this team as PG. He's shown that all year. I'm confident he can bounce back big in Game 2.
wow!
a LOAD of pent up Tony hate in this thread! I couldn't watch the game last night so I'm not entirely sure what happened, but WTF did Tony do? with everyone's wife or something??
We have really different views about all that stuff tbh.And I still am. I hold my teams' best players to higher standards. Tony obviously isn't an exception.
Well, I agree with you about Tony giving a strong effort in this game, there is no doubt. And I really haven't bashed Tony in a really long stretch of time, and that's for a reason; he's played really well this year. , In my opinion I think I barely have in this thread because the scope in this case is such a small subject (shot decision at end of 1 game, vs. overall play).
I simply think Tony's maturity level for a man of his age is not as high as others, but that doesn't mean I think it's very low either. Probably average, which means he's human and things like jealousy and insecurity can exist. A man who puts out videos of him with women all around, flashy lifestyle (Tony, we know you're rich and can clearly pull the majority of women), with a y at ude and is likely sometimes spitting out a few questionable or ridiculous words (since most rappers do, although here I'm admitting I haven't bothered to listen to all of his raps), and who sexts the wife from an ex-teammate, a well-regarded member of some of those championship teams and all around nice guy, is likely to be somewhat immature (note: I am a fan of rap music, if that makes a difference). Again, I'm not saying he's ridiculously immature or anything, in my opinion probably no more than your average person. But immaturity translates to all walks of life, it doesn't necessarily stay off the basketball court.
You think it would be outrageous to believe a player who is arguably doing more for a team's success enjoys, or is indifferent, to the fact that another player on the team gets more media recognition and also seems to be the fan favorite? Manu shows up in MVP talk, even though he certainly doesn't deserve it for a variety of reasons, and Tony is not mentioned. Manu AND Tim went to the All-Star game, Tony did not. Manu is heavily regarded as the Spurs closer, and the emphasis on the is because it's usually talked about in such a way that makes him seem to be the only clutch player on the team, even though Tony also has his moments during the end of games as well. Well, to be honest, the majority of people would probably not be 100% indifferent to these facts if they were in Tony's shoes, and this is how my original connection came through.
I'm not so sure I wouldn't be 100% indifferent to it all either, and I don't think it's some ridiculous thing, only human. The underlying facts come back to lack of recognition on so many fronts, and I just don't see how making that connection to perhaps (just maybe, not saying it WAS the case) wanting to prove a point is all that outrageous. After all, the sole purpose of making a rap video if you already are filthy rich is to draw attention, like proving a point. Don't tell me he does it because if he didn't, he would feel millions of people would be missing out on his musical brilliance
Tony is maybe totally imature in his personnal life but thats not the case in his professionnal life.
If he wanted so much the "glory" and had some jealousy he would never signed an extension with the spurs for a reasonable time and money. He would either went to LA / NY or he would have gone in a sub par team to be the main man and take care about his stats.
All he did during his spurs career contradict what you are saying, last year he went off the bench without problems despite the fact everybody predicted a drama queen behavior. In 10 years in spurs jersey he only showed he is humble and respectful of Pop, Tim and Manu. This year he reduced his FGAs to let the other shine if he was so concern about recognition why in he would have accepted that.
Of course he needs recognition like everybody, he has been disapointed to not be part of the ASG, he is surely also frustrated by the Pop antics... nevertheless he is showing his professionalism.
This is the problem when you mix everything personnal and professional trying to connect things. You know what I'm not a fan of TP personality like 2/3 of my compatriots, his behavior with Erin and his rap bs annoy me but all he is doing regarding basketball and the spurs is just showing how this guy is highly mature compared to 80% of the league, he never complains, respect coach decision, doesn't care abou his personnal stats, he is happy to be part of spurs even he is not in the spotlights.
So for me think what you want about him as a human being in his personnal sphere but you have to respect his professionalism and maturity on bb sphere.
It's amazing how different the composition of this thread would be if Parker had hit two more jumpers and the Spurs would have pulled off the win.
Players go from hero to goat here faster than Stern approves trades to the Lakers.
And oh boy, I can't wait to see reactions on the rest of your post. Should be entertaining
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