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  1. #51
    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    Kobe was the only one keeping the Lakers afloat.

  2. #52
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    Kobe was the only one keeping the Lakers afloat.
    Ln is tempted, but, he can't deny his goodness.

    It's always wonderful to bear witness.

  3. #53
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    Pau Gasol was something like 1-for-8 for most of the game until a late bucket against Aaron Gray and Landry down low. If Pau wasn't playing like a , he'd probably get more touches. Pau has played with Kobe long enough to know that's how things are going to be, right or wrong. Of course Kobe is a selfish ballhog. Always has been, always will be. If you play well, you'll find touches and shots. Of course Kobe wanted to be the hero again. He's always been that way. All the way back to his airballs against the Jazz until now. He's not changing. And his teammates should know this. So you either play aggressive and produce and demand the ball, or you're not going to see the ball. Stop being a and man up.
    This is true, but for some reason Kobe's teammates have always had a problem of this. So while they may need to be more assertive, isn't it also possible that Kobe is usually trying to do too much by himself and taking his teammates out of their rhythm in the process?

  4. #54
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    This is true, but for some reason Kobe's teammates have always had a problem of this. So while they may need to be more assertive, isn't it also possible that Kobe is usually trying to do too much by himself and taking his teammates out of their rhythm in the process?
    It isn't the 5 rings that compel Cry. Just the last 2.

  5. #55
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    It is what it is, Cry.

  6. #56
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    Spurs fan needs to think of it like Manu when he has a really ty 2-14 game or whatever. That's what Pau did last night.

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    Ln is tempted, but, he can't deny his goodness.

    It's always wonderful to bear witness.
    I don't think it's quite fair to rip a guy for missing his last few shots when

    a) making the shots before that is the only thing keeping LA in the game and

    b) only Artest seemed willing to step up alongside him.

    What's the point of lowering Kobe's stature? I don't want to beat a team with a bunch of nobodies on it. I want to beat a team with some Hall of Famers.

  8. #58
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    This is true, but for some reason Kobe's teammates have always had a problem of this. So while they may need to be more assertive, isn't it also possible that Kobe is usually trying to do too much by himself and taking his teammates out of their rhythm in the process?
    Here's the thing. It's not that Kobe isn't wrong. Even the Laker fans in this thread seem to be willing to admit it's a huge flaw Kobe has in his game. When his teammates aren't playing well, instead of encouraging them, he says it and goes mamba 1-on-5. Laker fans and Kobe apologists alike already know this, and appear to be willing to admit it. Would it be better if Kobe found that balance he was supposed to have found the last couple years? Sure it would be. But by now, the entire basketball universe already knows what he's really going to do. We've seen this movie before. Kobe is going to be Kobe, right or wrong.

    What I think the issue in this thread is that Pau and Lamar really have no place to complain since both of them played like a pair of walking blue waffle vaginas. Don't play like and then complain after the fact and put it on Kobe for sucking so bad. Kobe is going to be a ballhog no matter what, but if you are playing well and aggressive, you'll find your share of touches and Kobe might even pass it to you a couple times. If Pau and Lamar actually played a good game then at least they'd have an Andrew Bynum leg to stand on.

  9. #59
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    Jammie, playin' both sides against the middle.

    You're adorable. Chicken , but, adorable.

  10. #60
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    The Lakers bigs did look obviously disinterested in game 1....imo after that Gasol 3 point attempt you knew something wasn't going right. When a player tries to takes over the game like Bryant did, it can drain the fun and compe iveness out of the game for team-first guys like Gasol, Bynum and Odom. Bryant has a tendency of going away from the Lakers size advantage and they've had several quotes and meetings about it already. Sure, you can rationalize game 1 to be pro-Kobe but thats going to be a tough sale compared to CP3's playmaking and decision making....Lakers need their big 3/4 to step up, not just Black Mamba.

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    Jam with the goods. Just to echo what he and so many others have already said, you can't stop Kobe from being Kobe...he's going to chuck it and get his, no sense ing about it or trying to change it. If Phil can't reach Kobe there, then just accept the fact that he's not going to change, like many of us have. That being said, he's a willing passer to those that are willing to step up. Ron stepped up in the playoffs, he got some looks. Pau let Aaron Gray and Co. push him around and didn't fight for position...Kobe will not pass you the ball if you play like a .

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    Cane, gettin' his Phoenix Suns on.

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    Cane, gettin' his Phoenix Suns on.

  14. #64
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    Game 1 wasn't pro Kobe. Kobe was a stubborn ballhog making poor decisions at the end of the game. But I think most people would take that over ing up and playing like a pussy against a weaker opponent the way Pau and Lamar did. At least Kobe is showing a desire to win.

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    Cane, gettin' his Phoenix Suns on.
    Lakers bigs, like most players, need to have some fun when playing basketball tbh

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    Kobe, Artest and Bynum brought the goods, nobody else did.

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    Lakers bigs, like most players, need to have some fun when playing basketball tbh

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    I think Bynum need to be the second option.

  19. #69
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    Game 1 wasn't pro Kobe. Kobe was a stubborn ballhog making poor decisions at the end of the game. But I think most people would take that over ing up and playing like a pussy against a weaker opponent the way Pau and Lamar did. At least Kobe is showing a desire to win.
    Yea that game showed the weaknesses of both Kobe and their frontcourt. Lakers are going to have to balance that out. They're not going to win with Gasol left taking 3's or Kobe trying to get his Allen Iverson on.

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    Yea that game showed the weaknesses of both Kobe and their frontcourt. Lakers are going to have to balance that out. They're not going to win with Gasol left taking 3's or Kobe trying to get his Allen Iverson on.
    It isn't the 5 rings that Cane ruminates over....well, it is the 5 rings.

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    and yes its a double standard. Thats how life is. Neal with it.
    That's all I needed to hear from Laker fans. Don't have a problem with using a double standard as long as you don't deny it.

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    It isn't the 5 rings that Cane ruminates over....well, it is the 5 rings.
    Go back to pretending to being a Vietnam Vet ya pedo you

  23. #73
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    Go back to pretending to being a Vietnam Vet ya pedo you
    Only if you go back to pretending your mother is your girlfriend.

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    kobe's team mates are a joke.....kobe makes them 'great' players not the other way around.

    kobe should tell his teammates to STFU.

  25. #75
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    kobe's team mates are a joke.....kobe makes them 'great' players not the other way around.

    kobe should tell his teammates to STFU.
    No. Kobe transcends very few players. He's that way. But, great players, even good players transcend Kobe.

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