If Texas and Arizona Secede They'll Become Like Many African Countries

[fyatuk]

I think the more interesting question would be... if TX seceded, how many other states would join TX? Probably a good chuck of the South/Midwest.

Of course, you could break it down further... if TX seceded, would any cities then want to remain loyal to the US? Austin, I'm looking at you...

I'd definitely expect a possibility of at least 1 or 2 other states joining in.

Of course, if Texas is really pissed at the Federal Government, I'd rather go the other way and increase direct control over the national government by taking up the government on the Annexation agreement (split into up to five states).

[CosmicCowboy]

I could definitely see Louisiana jumping in...

[clambake]

how much $$$$ in aid would the new country of texas be sending to israel?

[4>0rings]

like it's impossible for any state or country to live outside the U.S.

Texas would take a hit, redefine itself and be just another self sufficient country like the rest of the 1st world. Would Texas be a super power stronger than the U.S.? no. Would Texas get by as it's own 1st world country, yes.

[LnGrrrR]

like it's impossible for any state or country to live outside the U.S.

It isn't. But laughing off the costs of CREATING A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY is pretty laughable.

Texas would take a hit, redefine itself and be just another self sufficient country like the rest of the 1st world. Would Texas be a super power stronger than the U.S.? no. Would Texas get by as it's own 1st world country, yes.

How many years do you think that would take?

And do you think that Texas would be able to avoid all the problems that most secessionists think the US has?

Cut out Medicaid/Medicare/etc etc and a lot of people living in TX would move north.

[CosmicCowboy]

It isn't. But laughing off the costs of CREATING A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY is pretty laughable.



How many years do you think that would take?

And do you think that Texas would be able to avoid all the problems that most secessionists think the US has?

Cut out Medicaid/Medicare/etc etc and a lot of people living in TX would move north.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. There are certain elements we would probably be happy to give a bonus check and a bus/airline ticket to if they would move.

[LnGrrrR]

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. There are certain elements we would probably be happy to give a bonus check and a bus/airline ticket to if they would move.

You have a good point there.

[clambake]

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. There are certain elements we would probably be happy to give a bonus check and a bus/airline ticket to if they would move.

what would the "certain elements" be?

[TeyshaBlue]

what would the "certain elements" be?

clambakers. They're a nuisance!

[LnGrrrR]

what would the "certain elements" be?

Old people, and the infirm/disabled.

It would be a Randian paradise! Temporarily, at least.

[4>0rings]

It isn't. But laughing off the costs of CREATING A WHOLE NEW COUNTRY is pretty laughable.



How many years do you think that would take?

And do you think that Texas would be able to avoid all the problems that most secessionists think the US has?

Cut out Medicaid/Medicare/etc etc and a lot of people living in TX would move north.

I'm not laughing at the cost, I'm laughing at the thought of no state can exist without the benevelent U.S. The one thing I'd really like about the idea of seccesion is less government.

Who know's how long it would take to get back but it wouldn't go down to 3rd world then back up. I'm not suddenly going to lose my plumbing in my house, water to it, sewege, trash disposal, and hospitals.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not laughing at the cost, I'm laughing at the thought of no state can exist without the benevelent U.S.

I don't think anyone said that. I said that Texas wouldn't be very well off if it tried to secede and triggered a war. But if it seceded amicably it could make it. I just don't think the quality of life would be as good as it is now, and it wouldn't catch up for quite a while.

The one thing I'd really like about the idea of seccesion is less government.

It's dubious how long that would last though. You'd also have to take time to write a whole new Cons ution, come up with new federal laws, etc etc.

Who know's how long it would take to get back but it wouldn't go down to 3rd world then back up. I'm not suddenly going to lose my plumbing in my house, water to it, sewege, trash disposal, and hospitals.

If you went to war with the US, the first thing they would bomb is your communication towers and power plants. So yes, it would be pretty bad.

Again, if you don't go to war with us, then no, not such a drastic change.

[clambake]

clambakers. They're a nuisance!

clams would be unaffordable. nothing to bake.

[clambake]

Thats not necessarily a bad thing. There are certain elements we would probably be happy to give a bonus check and a bus/airline ticket to if they would move.

...and why would other states accept tx refugees?

[Thompson]

Of course, you could break it down further... if TX seceded, would any cities then want to remain loyal to the US? Austin, I'm looking at you...

That's what purges are for. Gig 'Em. Gig 'Em all to !!!

[ManuBalboa]

U.S. would kiss TX's ass more than Israel. C'mon Kool. Athens has the hype, but you still want Sparta when the Persians come brah.

[4>0rings]

I don't think anyone said that. I said that Texas wouldn't be very well off if it tried to secede and triggered a war. But if it seceded amicably it could make it. I just don't think the quality of life would be as good as it is now, and it wouldn't catch up for quite a while.



It's dubious how long that would last though. You'd also have to take time to write a whole new Cons ution, come up with new federal laws, etc etc.



If you went to war with the US, the first thing they would bomb is your communication towers and power plants. So yes, it would be pretty bad.

Again, if you don't go to war with us, then no, not such a drastic change.

I'm not taking war into consideration, there would be no war if any state decides to seccede. US soldiers will not shoot US soldiers in this day and age.

[4>0rings]

...and why would other states accept tx refugees?

We accepted NO rats.

[clambake]

We accepted NO rats.

the proposition is that texas would kick out the unwanted.

secede does not equal katrina.

[Thompson]

I'm not taking war into consideration, there would be no war if any state decides to seccede. US soldiers will not shoot US soldiers in this day and age.

I would actually agree with this. If Texas ever did secede (possibly with others), could you see the damn Yankees putting up a fight this time? Would they be willing to wage war and die to force us back in? I seriously doubt it.

The slavery issue wouldn't be a factor this time around, they would explicitly have to be willing to fight and die to force us where we didn't want to go. I don't think they have the stomach for it anymore.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not taking war into consideration, there would be no war if any state decides to seccede. US soldiers will not shoot US soldiers in this day and age.

Except they wouldn't be US soldiers then.

[LnGrrrR]

I would actually agree with this. If Texas ever did secede (possibly with others), could you see the damn Yankees putting up a fight this time? Would they be willing to wage war and die to force us back in? I seriously doubt it.

Yes, the majority would. And it would be quite asymmetrical, since the US would have the bombs, tanks, planes, etc etc.

Of course, there would be political factors at play, but I'm just taking from an X's and O's standpoint.

The slavery issue wouldn't be a factor this time around, they would explicitly have to be willing to fight and die to force us where we didn't want to go. I don't think they have the stomach for it anymore.

Some soldiers would, some soldiers wouldn't. Do you think that every soldier who went overseas for the Iraq and Afghanistan War agreed with those wars?

[4>0rings]

Except they wouldn't be US soldiers then.

Splitting hairs, Ex-US citizens. Better?

[4>0rings]

Yes, the majority would. And it would be quite asymmetrical, since the US would have the bombs, tanks, planes, etc etc.

The US hasn't won a war in 40 years with that advantage.

[Thompson]

You have to have some degree of popular support, as Vietnam showed. Imagine a Vietnam not on the other side of the world, but a few hundred miles away. One that you're not safe from.

You can bluster all you want. The Yankee populace and politicians don't have the stomach for it.