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The US hasn't won a war in 40 years with that advantage.
you wouldn't have the stomach for your borders being sealed.
The US hasn't won a war in 40 years with that advantage.
it wouldn't be a vietnam. you'd have no flow of supplies.
Sure we would. How many countries want to get back at the U.S.? China, Russia, N.K.? All flooded through our friend Mexico.
you'd finally get that texas/mexico border you wish for.
If a war ever happened, how many Texans would immediately shift to the side of the USA? I'm guessing the vast majority - you know the USG would be spreading all kinds of propaganda about how they were simply preserving Texans' lifestyles and like that. Besides, with all the armed forces we have here, it would be a massacre if any revolutionary army was actually raised (impossible).
Revolution nor secession is possible in this country any longer. The USG will squash any such serious movement out like a bug long before it's capable of causing any widespread carnage.
i think you're missing out on the fun that is this thread.
Yup, after the war we would.
with the US govt's track record for foreign intervention to protect interests, I cant believe how many of you believe it would be possible for there to be an amicable split. the only way texas or any other state would be able to secede is by winning an armed conflict. if it didnt happen before when the south had more economic resources than the north, why would it happen now?
as for the 40 years of asymmetric military failure comment- what do you guys consider was the last war the US won? I ask because a very radical friend of mine insists y'all haven't won a single war without significant help. I don't agree but his argument was interesting (basically, that the US was very good at espionage and coercive bombing but incapable of winning land wars; he pointed to the stalemates in vietnam and korea, the dependence on the russians in WW2 and the french in the civil war; that Iraq didnt count because its only war when two armies are fighting
Spanish-American War? The war vs Mexico?with the US govt's track record for foreign intervention to protect interests, I cant believe how many of you believe it would be possible for there to be an amicable split. the only way texas or any other state would be able to secede is by winning an armed conflict. if it didnt happen before when the south had more economic resources than the north, why would it happen now?
as for the 40 years of asymmetric military failure comment- what do you guys consider was the last war the US won? I ask because a very radical friend of mine insists y'all haven't won a single war without significant help. I don't agree but his argument was interesting (basically, that the US was very good at espionage and coercive bombing but incapable of winning land wars; he pointed to the stalemates in vietnam and korea, the dependence on the russians in WW2 and the french in the civil war; that Iraq didnt count because its only war when two armies are fighting
see......now this guy gets it. the fun of this thread.
When you say we you mean the new Mexican province, right?
Yes, but the other side hasn't been winning them either. And Houston has a lot more easily bombable stuff than those other countries.The US hasn't won a war in 40 years with that advantage.
Plus, soldiers who stayed on the union side, who were from the area, would know the terrain. That's a big advantage.
Really?
And last time I checked, Texas wasn't covered in jungle areas and small towns.
It depends on how you define "win", honestly. It's very hard to win a land war on a different continent using the classic definition.as for the 40 years of asymmetric military failure comment- what do you guys consider was the last war the US won? I ask because a very radical friend of mine insists y'all haven't won a single war without significant help. I don't agree but his argument was interesting (basically, that the US was very good at espionage and coercive bombing but incapable of winning land wars; he pointed to the stalemates in vietnam and korea, the dependence on the russians in WW2 and the french in the civil war; that Iraq didnt count because its only war when two armies are fighting
Awfully nice friends you have there.
It could and would be done with minimal bloodshed. The entire world would be watching. The modern analogy is the breakup of the Soviet Union. The UN would be all over that if the US used it's military might on a state that wanted to secede peacefully.
"The entire world would be watching"
Since when does UCA about the R.O.W. (except as business opportunity)?
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Doubtful. It would set an awful precedent, and it could literally dissolve our country if we allowed any state that wanted to secede to do so.
America has shown it is willing to ignore the international community, on numerous different fronts. I think the same would apply here.
I don't parallel the USSR's breakup with American state secession at all, as much as they may look similar on paper. Transitioning from democracy to democracy is the polar opposite of demanding freedom from tyranny and ideological constraints.
Second, who exactly in the UN would raise such a vote? You think anyone there wants beef with the USA? Not even in mass numbers would they even ponder about interfering with a localized American war. Economic sanctions and hard talk would be the limit of the UN's power.
It would not be a peaceful transition, there will never be any secession. It is technically illegal, as well, FWIW, which would fuel the propaganda, and again, I don't think there'd ever be enough support from Texans for it to actually work.
Dunno, a lot of Texans are pretty stupid and uneducated (before we even get to the brown and black ones), more "proud" of and attached to Texas than they are to UCA.
Just look at the posters in this thread saying secession is plausible, doable.
You should go hang out @ the CNN boards. bags over there are giggling at the prospect of the fires burning homes and killing Tx citizens. You'd fit right in with your irrational hatred of all things red.
hang in there, pal. don't let the steam open your envelope.
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