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[Giuseppe]

The last 2 by Bryant broke the backs of his haters. They now live on pure venom.

[Killakobe81]

No one is denying that. So was MJ, so was Osar, so was Kareem, so was Bird, so was Stockton, so was Magic, so was Malone.

Lebron too. He seems to relish his triple doubles especially.

[LnGrrrR]

Look lil , we got hose by the refs last year, and we still won it. If you want results... just win.

Except in the Finals.

[TD 21]

LOL why you so mad? We were having a good discussion! Oneal is great who denies that? and Kobe did benefit (ring wise) from playing with him, but was hurt (stat wise) because he was forced to share. That does not change the fact that Shaq was not as great as he should be, Kobe is considered by most to be a greater player than Duncan (especially after the past 3 years) and you never answered Luva's points about his rebounding totals ...lemme guess he is so unselfish that he wanted to pad the totals for: Nazr, Oberto, Horry, dice. Blair and David ...is that what you are saying?! LOL

I get that he is unselfish, especially compared to Bryant.But as lazy as Shaq is his rebounding numbers are better IIRC ...how would grabbing more boards hurt the team?

Again I think duncan is great I just think Kobe is greater. and unlike Luva I think Duncan is probably at least top 15 of guys I have seen probably top 10.

See, this is what I mean. I'm not at all mad, but this is what you guys do when an actual basketball discussion breaks out. "Why u mad?", "why u butthurt". You guys minimize his greatness and the amount Bryant has benefited from his presence, his current front lines presence and revisionist history. Bryant is considered that based on these pathetic ass kissers in the media, who have brainwashed the masses, so that they can draw more viewers by pretending this punk is Jordan's equal.

What about his rebounding? He's one of the greatest rebounders of all-time, genius. O'Neal is a significantly worse rebounder than Duncan. Obviously, he leads him in total rebounders, because he's played five more seasons. But look at rebound percentage.

[Killakobe81]

See, this is what I mean. I'm not at all mad, but this is what you guys do when an actual basketball discussion breaks out. "Why u mad?", "why u butthurt". You guys minimize his greatness and the amount Bryant has benefited from his presence, his current front lines presence and revisionist history. Bryant is considered that based on these pathetic ass kissers in the media, who have brainwashed the masses, so that they can draw more viewers by pretending this punk is Jordan's equal.

What about his rebounding? He's one of the greatest rebounders of all-time, genius. O'Neal is a significantly worse rebounder than Duncan. Obviously, he leads him in total rebounders, because he's played five more seasons. But look at rebound percentage.

I know you know I am reasonable so read what you wrote.

"kobe is a little " "

"Worst fan base in the NBA"

"this punk"

Maybe for you those words come out of love or some kind twisted admiration, but to most sensible people in a calm but heated debate they would appear to be angry words or "butthurt".

[LnGrrrR]

I think the "Jim Dunan" schtick is pretty funny, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Killa, I've never been one to that bought into the whole Kobe needed Shaq bull . I've always watched this team close for decades, and I remember Kobe being the go to guy from day one going all the way back to the air balls. It took Kobe some time for his skills to catch up with his mind, but by 2001, that was Kobe's team. Sure, Shaq was the man down low, just as Kareem was for Showtime, but just as everyone knew it was Magic's team, we all knew it was Kobe's team. Shaq never demanded the ball in crunch time. You can't find not one game winner in an important game from Shaq throughout his entire ing career. Better yet, give me a stretch when he was a Laker that he took over the game in the last two minutes. You can't, he was too busy running from the ball.

I agree with most of what you say and when you not trollin or warring you actually one of the best Laker fans on here. Cully would of folded without you we all know this. I agree the lack of dedication to his craft and clutch plays are the blight on Shaq's GOAT resume just like Colorado, and Game 7 last year will be on Kobe's ...that being said of COURSE Kobe was greater. And Kobe has already proven he could win with a lessor big man than shaq ...heck even fat Shaq would not score only 8 in a Game 1 ...even with foul trouble. love him or hate him shaq always brought it in Game 1's. in those days Kobe was already the closer especially on the road where Shaq would be in foul trouble frequently ...

[Killakobe81]

See, this is what I mean. I'm not at all mad, but this is what you guys do when an actual basketball discussion breaks out. "Why u mad?", "why u butthurt". You guys minimize his greatness and the amount Bryant has benefited from his presence, his current front lines presence and revisionist history. Bryant is considered that based on these pathetic ass kissers in the media, who have brainwashed the masses, so that they can draw more viewers by pretending this punk is Jordan's equal.

What about his rebounding? He's one of the greatest rebounders of all-time, genius. O'Neal is a significantly worse rebounder than Duncan. Obviously, he leads him in total rebounders, because he's played five more seasons. But look at rebound percentage.

I like TD21 but LOL

[Killakobe81]

Duncan could have been higher up in relatively meaningless all-time regular season scoring, if he was a stats obsessed punk, who had an agenda and put irrelevant like that ahead of the team. As far as rebounding goes, that stat basically can't be taken seriously until the past roughly thirty years. Since then, he's somewhere around the top ten. Had he not spent the full four years in college, he'd be even higher.

The only reason the Spurs were a good team from 01-04 was because of Duncan. The load people talk about Howard carrying now, he was carrying then. He did everything for the team and they took him for granted, gave him little help as he aged and because he's not a puke, he didn't publicly complain until he was given an advantage over the rest of the league.

KillaKobe81, I'm not a numbers guy, in the sense that I formulate my opinions through numbers. But rather, I use numbers to confirm what I already think.

Are you sure you are not mad?

[Killakobe81]

When I got to this board, the Laker fans were lunch meat for Spurs fans ham sandwich. It was impossible to debate Kobe vs Duncan because Duncan had won 4 and Kobe had won three with Shaq, and he was a rapist. Now that Kobe has dominated the league in ways that Duncan never could, even without Shaq, and with a much lesser big man that is soft, and Neal raped, everyone gets upset. Spurfan don't care about rape anymore. Pau has magically become the best big man in the league all while being pathetically soft. These ers love to turn the tables. Yet they fail to mention that since 2006, Duncan has been the 3rd option behind Paker and Manu. You see what happens if Manu is not fully healthy, they are a team. Look at them, they're looking at another sweep as we speak.

I do remember some of that. First it was he needed shaq.Now it's that he is "center dependent" or some other bull theory.
Yet, it's us Laker fans and the media creating revisionist history? LOL

Also though I respect Duncan more than most on here respect Kobe and definitely more than you, they clung to the PF status to enhance his reputation. We all know Duncan has really been the true center of this team since 2008 he is much too slow to play PF's ...but any spur fans would not let it go ...Spurs FO too ...squeezed a few more accolades that way.But yet Duncan does not care about stats or accolades even though he INSISTED on being called a PF? LOL

Now this past year when it's convienent now he is a center. Duncan is the best PF and out of the guys I saw only behind Kareem, Hakeem, as a big man just above shaq. And ahead of Ewing and David ...

Sure not as shot happy or egotistical as Kobe but dont act like he does not care about his legacy either ...just like Kobe.

[Pelicans78]

Duncan has been a center ever since Rasto left years ago. He was only a PF until 2005 or 2006. He's been a center since and an ok center.

[Killakobe81]

I saw on NBA.com just today, "Kobe will need an experienced coach to win after PJ." It's always something with this guy. The critics won't shut up until he passes MJ in points and rings, which will happen.

WTF? in what context?

I love how Pau pussies out but yet Kobe is the issue ...Odom and Pau better do something with the early touches they asking for.

[Pelicans78]

I saw on NBA.com just today, "Kobe will need an experienced coach to win after PJ." It's always something with this guy. The critics won't shut up until he passes MJ in points and rings, which will happen.

I don't think he will pass him in rings. He may tie him this season, but that could be it. Unless they add different pieces. I don't see him winning a ring with this current cast beyond 2011. They suck balls mostly. Even Gasol.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan has been a center ever since Rasto left years ago. He was only a PF until 2005 or 2006. He's been a center since and an ok center.

I agree but was giving him the benefit of the doubt ... LOL he had stopped guarding KG, amare etc. by then.

[Killakobe81]

I don't think he will pass him in rings. He may tie him this season, but that could be it. Unless they add different pieces. I don't see him winning a ring with this current cast beyond 2011. They suck balls mostly. Even Gasol.

Fair point. The roster is solid but not built for the long haul. We have struggled at replacing fish or finding him a reliable backup. Same with Kobe.

[Pelicans78]

I agree but was giving him the benefit of the doubt ... LOL he had stopped guarding KG, amare etc. by then.

Do you remember him trying to guard Amare in 2005? It was ugly. Spurs won the series, but.....

[Pelicans78]

Fair point. The roster is solid but not built for the long haul. We have struggled at replacing fish or finding him a reliable backup. Same with Kobe.

Yesterday's game proved how overrated the supporting cast is. Kobe abused a great defender like Ariza, but Paul and Jack dominated Fisher and Brown, Gray outplayed Bynum easily, Gasol was a non-factor against Gray or Mbenga, and Landry and Smith outplayed Odom. Without Kobe, Hornets win that game by almost 20 pts.

[Juggity]

"Jim Dunan" is literally the laziest insult/troll I have ever heard, ever.

[TD 21]

Are you sure you are not mad?

Absolutely. I have never been angered by a message board conversation and never will be, even if some of my words indicate (to some) otherwise. And anyone that is has issues.

I know luva's act and all the others, but that doesn't mean I can't engage in an actual basketball discussion with them and when I do, it doesn't mean I'm "butthurt". Every time someone doesn't have a response to something, that's the go-to line. No one can say anything anymore without that being thrown around. It's ridiculous.

Bryant's an all-time great player and in terms of their actual ranking, it's not as if I have them 50 spots apart. But that doesn't change the reality that he's become overrated historically in recent years, has had far more to work with/fortune than Duncan and the fact that the only time in his career he had to carry a load similar to that of Duncan's, he failed miserably.

[BRHornet45]

Sons Kobe isn't a top 5 player and Duncan isn't a top 10 player.

[Bito Corleone]

BR, with the goods

[Killakobe81]

Sons Kobe isn't a top 5 player and Duncan isn't a top 10 player.

BR with the "hates"

[Budkin]

Peep, Spurfan is so ing fickle. Some time ago I accidentally typed Dunan for Duncan, and it set a few of these s off. So I said hmmm, let me see how they react to Jim instead of Tim. Low and behold, it chapped their ing asses.

"His name is not Jim, it's Tim"

Ah that's where the Jim thing came from... been wondering about that for a while. As for that ref site... it needs to be shown to the entire officiating staff every night.