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Gee, I hope we can get some of this officiating Wednesday nite.
o ye of little faith!
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Gee, I hope we can get some of this officiating Wednesday nite.
Williams and Paul didn't exactly fail... they've just never had great supporting casts.
Nash only failed because of Dirks injury (in dallas), a bad FO in PHX, and BS suspensions in 2007.
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the reason I think they've fouled is they drain the shot clock to 5 seconds then either defer or have to shoot over a much taller player. A player who's only a few inches taller than 6'0" is gonna have a nearly impossible time at the end of games getting their shot up over 7 footers guarding the rim.
it's no coincidence the 1 PG who's ever proven he can close games out in the playoffs (Magic Johnson) was 6'9". His most famous and most important shot ever was him shooting a sky hook in the most congested area of the court over two HOF 7 footers. Does anyone ever see Nash, Williams, Paul, Rose or Westbrook making a sky hook over two 7 footers in the finals? I sure as don't.
Ghazi, sometimes, you are too stupid for words.
Just as bad as AOL News writing today that the #8 seeded Hornets shocked the Lakers. Someone's sleeping on the job.
You're also forgetting about Isiah Thomas. When he wanted to take over scoring, he was capable of doing so despite his height. But like you said, there's a reason there's so few PGs that have had success in the playoffs. Most of them just don't have that instinct to take over games themselves when their team needs it.
No, I don't ever see Rose making a sky hook over two 7 footers but I don't see why he can't just pull up and hit a midrange jumper. Guys like Kobe and Pierce have made a career doing it.
Kobe and Pierce are both taller and can get a mid range J up over taller defenders. When a team switches a bigger defender onto Rose at the end of games (like when Bowen would get switched onto Nash or Paul), I sure as don't see him pulling up and hitting a midrange J over a defender several inches taller than he is.
It's as much if not more about height as it is about instinct. I've seen Nash have the desire to take over playoff games against the Spurs countless times. What ends up happening is him dribbling the air out of the ball trying to find an opening in a defense that has already had several playoff games defending Nash and knowing what to do. Chrissy Paul didn't defer to Pargo by choice, he deferred to Pargo because San Antonio had 6 previous games to figure out how to neutralize a 6'1" player in the 4th quarter.
Chrissy Paul deferred because he didn't have confidence in his jump shot. San Antonio limited his penetration and he didn't take advantage. Last year's CP3 before the injury would have easily thrashed that Spurs defense. He was making all of his jumpers last season. The reason why he was so successful in 2007-2008 was he had shooters around him so teams could limit his penetration, plus he could lob a pass to Chandler any time for an easy dunk. Both West and Chandler were limited in Game 7 with serious injuries and Bowen was shutting down Peja. Spurs could easily limit CP3's penetration and he couldn't make them pay with his jumpshot.
So what you're saying is, the Spurs were able to force Chrissy Paul into an uncomfortable situation where he had to defer?
Paul kept abusing Bowen in that series. That's why Pop switched Parker onto Paul and left Bowen on Peja to limit his shooting. It wouldn't have mattered if West and Chandler didn't get injured in Game 5, but once they did, CP3 had to carry the team by himself and he wasn't good enough to do it. Last year's CP3 pre-injury would have won that game since he was so confident in his jumper.
Of course because he wasn't a great jumpshooter back then.
Best case scenario, he's a great jump shooter, makes enough to beat San Antonio, then gets thrashed by LA in the next round against a coach who's perfected shutting down PG oriented teams.
Rose isn't good enough to carry the Bulls to a le either. He's a great player, but not great enough IMO. His offensive game is not complete yet.
What's your point anyway hornets78? I can bump a thread you made basically restating my "PGs don't win championships" argument.
That's only because of the supporting cast, but a healthy Hornets team would have given the Lakers alot of trouble that year. Chandler would defend Gasol without double-teaming, CP3 would dominate Fisher. The Hornets and Lakers split in the regular season. CP3 had really good shooters around him that season. He would have gone off in that series. However, I think Kobe would have been better.
Phil couldn't shut down Billups in 2004.
Its true most of the time, but there have been exceptions.
Really, regardless of position, it takes a complete player to lead a team to a championship. Neither Nash, CP3, and Rose right now haven't been complete players. Plus, they didn't have a good enough cast either. Nash had better supporting casts than the other two, but probably not good enough except maybe in 2007 and last year's team.
bringing up the fluke example. Yeah, against a front court of Shaq and Slava in Medvedenko, Billups was able to pick and roll them to death. Do you want me to bump the thread you made agreeing with everything I've said in this thread or not?
A good enough cast would mean Nash and CP3 aren't the 1st option on their team.
I'm fine with you bumping whatever you want and I did make that statement, especially when Paul and the Hornets were struggling in general, but I do think if Rose was a complete offensive player, he could lead this Bulls team to a Finals run. However, he's not and that's why they're probably going to lose to the Heat or even the Celtics. I have the Heat in the Finals.
I do think a complete player, regardless of position can lead a team to a championship. However, every team needs a good supporting cast.
A complete player is a player who can get a high percentage shot off at the end of games. 90+% of players 6'4" and under can't do that.
That's probably true, but I do think last year's CP3 had reached the point where he could take over games consistently. His supporting cast stunk, but the Hornets were a playoff team before his injury and he was having a monster season.
It really depends if a PG can take over games late which some are capable of doing. Honestly, I don't even consider Rose a true PG. He doesn't create for his teammates that well. He's a SG who dominates the ball every position.
That's why the exceptional players are the exceptions. Maybe Rose can be that guy. I don't think it will happen this season, but maybe in the future. However, his supporting cast could worsen as well. He won't be able to beat the Heat right now since his jumpshot isn't consistent enough. Plus, Lebron and Wade are both better passers than him.
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