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I've seen two "laker fans" say that. luva and Cub.
Tell us how you really feel DoK.
Mostly just -talking tbh. This is spurstalk, after all.
I've seen two "laker fans" say that. luva and Cub.
Tell us how you really feel DoK.
I've seen them get discredited when Kobe is being compared to MJ.
Kobe is also the only guy who can receive less MVP votes than a teammate during a 3peat while said teammate wins finals MVP all 3 years, yet have fans of the team refer to him as the best player on that team.
1) That's because Duncan was far and away the best player on the 2007 Spurs
2) I've heard plenty of Duncan haters use the argument that the 2007 Spurs were Parker's team. Do you ever see Magic's 5 rings get compared to Jordan's 6 rings? No one tries to discredit Magic as a 5 time NBA champion because no one tries to over-glorify him.
How much credit would Lakers fans give Scottie Pippen for his 6 les if there were a bunch of people saying Scottie > Kobe because 6 > 5? I'm willing to bet all of my internal organs that Lakerfan would use the sidekick argument, and for good reason. Winning championships as the #2 option or 1B option shouldn't add to a legacy as much as winning championships as the undisputed #1 option like Kobe has been on the last 2 teams and Pippen has never been.
If that's something Cul made up (like the Chris Webber your mother story) then my bad.
I also find it funny lakaluva thinks his opinions on Kobe should be taken seriously
I should have been more specific. I'm talking about among other all time greats, especially those who won multiple les. With Drexler, he was obviously a sidekick because he joined a team that already had won the le the year before. And with Scottie, the distinction between top dog and everyone else was clear on those Bulls teams. Oscar only won one le and it was when he was older and on the decline and clearly Kareem's second banana. People don't discredit Magic or Kareem or Bird or Duncan for any of their les. Shaq might be the only other won for his 2006 le.
I've talked about this before when it comes to Kobe on those threepeat Laker teams. After the first le, Kobe was just as much the first option as Shaq was. In the second and third le runs, Kobe took more shot attempts than Shaq in both the regular season and the playoffs. Very close to equal shot distribution between the two. It was a 1A and 1B situation if ever there was. Shaq was more dominant, more efficient. But Kobe was also the main playmaker and the closer. Kind of offsets each other. Basically the same amount of shots and touches, virtually the same scoring in those second and third championship runs. Yet some people want to give Kobe very little credit for those les. And then those same people will turn around and still discredit him for the last two giving more credit to Gasol.
There is no other all time great that gets discredited that way (again except Shaq in 2006), even though the production of a "go to" guy is there. In the second and third seasons of that threepeat, Kobe was putting up around 27/6/5. Those aren't sidekick numbers.
But like I said, it's about keeping a balance between the two. Kobe haters and Kobe fans alike going to extremes to make their arguments.
Last edited by JamStone; 04-21-2011 at 11:14 AM.
I think you're just agreeing with me.
Kobe haters say stupid and extreme in response to Kobe fans saying stupid and extreme . And when Kobe fans see the response, it makes them continue saying stupid and extreme .
That was my point about each side going to extremes to keep the balance of the basketball universe.
No. I freely admit saying it. I thought we'd skimmed the cream off Kobe. He wanted that 6/120 deal and I wanted somebody else to buy it.
I was wrong.
I think the real question is, who is more obnoxious... Kobe lovers or Kobe haters?
Both are pretty ing awful. But I think Kobe lovers take the cake, because if they hadn't attempted to overglorify him from the get go, Kobe haters wouldn't be nearly as extreme as they are.
However to add to it, MJ lovers is what made Kobe lovers even more obnoxious. It was ridiculous for the Kobe lovers to annoint him as the guy who will surpass MJ in greatness, but then MJ lovers began overstating MJ's greatness with all the nonsense like "if MJ and Kobe played one on one, MJ would win 5000000 to -14!!!!!!!!!!!! MJ MOTHER ERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" , when truth is, MJ is greater, but is not heads and tails a better basketball player than Kobe, they are actually fairly comparable as individual players. But this led to Kobe lovers being even more intent on finding ridiculous ways to compare Kobe to MJ.
And its hilarious because the way MJ lovers would bash so much on Kobe lovers, now Kobe lovers feel the need to bash on someone the same way MJ lovers bashed on them, so they decide that they need to just start hating Lebron just for the sake of it, although Lebron lovers have never been as ridiculously obnoxious as Kobe lovers.
Point is... Kobe lovers are gots.
Truth right here.
They were equal, and balanced each other out very well, which is why they SHOULD have been the greatest duo ever. Unfortunately for them, they were too stupid, childish, and egotistical to allow that to happen. Dumbasses.
I was referring to you saying Phil begged Kobe to come back.
No. I said Jackson begged Kobe to let him (Jackson) return. And that Kobe, being gracious & wise let the man return. Kobe didn't punish him. Kobe didn't advertise it.
He didn't write a book about it. He just signed off on it.
I never said that. See above.
Which is a giant crock of that makes absolutely no logical sense.
Um, these two basically say the same thing. Maybe I worded it poorly, but I was referring to you saying Jackson begged Kobe to let (Jackson) return to the Lakers.
Look how angry and emotional you're getting. Typical insecure Lebron sucker.
Hating on an en led, ringless, dancing with a CHOSEN ONE tattoo, that speaks seriously in third person while throwing chalk in your face has nothing to do Kobe or MJ. Stop deluding yourself.
Well, of course it does. Phil let his mouth overload his ass and ran off to Austrailia with Longley in a Speedo. Then when he quickly realized his folly, he skinned & grinned,,,shuffled & skulked to a payphone and called the girl. She went out to the Bryant Compound and asked Kobe for Jackson. Kobe, in his basement, playing Naruto said: "ok." and that was it.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Looks like the angry emotional one is you, considering how quickly you were to respond to this post.Look how angry and emotional you're getting. Typical insecure Lebron sucker.
Hating on an en led, ringless, dancing with a CHOSEN ONE tattoo, that speaks seriously in third person while throwing chalk in your face has nothing to do Kobe or MJ. Stop deluding yourself.
lol instantly assuming I'm a Bron fan because I simply mentioned him in a post of truth of how MJ fans on Kobe fans, Kobe fans cry like dumbasses, then because they got shat on by MJ fans, they feel the need to on Lebron fans.
Kobe lovers = most obnoxious fanbase on earth (maybe equal to Steeler fans). They are the #1 reason why so many people hate on Kobe and want him to fail, because the fans are ing annoying as .
Any Lebron lover who tries to justify "The Decision" or tries to justify Lebron standing in a corner watching Anthony Parker run pick and rolls with Anderson Varejao against Boston last year is plenty ridiculous on his own.
Gasol is just having some problems with physical defenders, with actual defensive ability. There's a difference between physical defenders, with little ability, and those who have both.
Regular season and playoffs are different. He's getting punked, and it's a bit mental as well. It is still early, we shall see a change.
Where's the part about Phil himself begging Kobe?
If Lebron won some les they would get real obnoxious. Maybe not as much now that he's on the Heat and that team has no real fans.
You want him to fail because he raped and skated. Then he compounded your misery by getting his fervent wish:::he rang without Daddy, not once, but, to your abstract horror, twice. In your eyes he passed Duncan. Kobe coulda cared less about Duncan. He wanted Daddy. And now he's hunting Jordan.
Good hunting, Kobe!
I explained that further above.
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