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Hakeem destroyed everyone back then. Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, it didn't matter.
Too many elite/good/promising guards back then though... Payton, Stockton, VC, T-Mac, Iverson, Kobe.... yet it was a big men league then...
Hakeem destroyed everyone back then. Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, it didn't matter.
Even in a thread about him, Pau gets punked by another player...the kicker? It's his own teammate.
Kobe has been an elite defender in the past when he wanted to. The difference is that he didn't always want to play the role. Nowadays, much like Bowen in his twilight, his body can't react as fast as he would want to.
Yeah but he especially crushed Robinson in that WCF.
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'99 to '00 were his "lockdown everyone all the time because I don't have to score 30 a game" years.
'01-'05 were his "lockdown everyone whenever I want because I still can" years.
In '06 his knee problems started up again and his effort on that end dropped indefinitely because he was carrying the team. Anytime from 2000 to 2005 i'll put him on a hot scorer over Bowen anyday of the week and twice on sunday.
As far as the OP, Pau is a maggot indeed. But he's a smart player, and he'll find a way to contribute. When he does, the Lakers will blow this NOH team away. Unfortunately, Bynum is not the difference maker the team would like him to be. Too inconsistent. Lakers go as far as Pau takes them.
Olajuwon was definitely thatGUY back around that time. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one trying to do the Dream Shake in middle school and high school. Amazing. That's why people still go to him for pointers and you can see the direct results in Dwight Howard's game because of the tutelage of The Dream. Too bad he and Sampson never got along. That would've been unimaginable.
Agree about VC but he wasn't Kobe. There is a reason Kobe was getting the Jordan comparisons. VC was dripping with raw talent. In contrast, Kobe's post-game was already being polished by the Phoenix series and he could shut down All-Stars at three different positions.
Gary Payton, now don't be ridiculous. He was basically a shooting guard in a point's body. Kobe was already a more deadly closer, created just as well and was more versatile defensively with his size. Payton was in his 30s and still hadn't lived down the Denver choke.
That's not true...he's consistent at getting an injured knee.
I dont know if you can blame his inconsistency on being incosistent. I think it's partly the fault of the coaching staff as they're constantly harping that Bynum needs to do the defensive thing first. Then, when Gasol is ting the bed--he has a game like this. I think, the fact that he was able to step up his O last night was a sign of him being more consistent than in prior seasons. I can't fault him for going up and down, because the staff has him in a precarious position.
The dude has not have enough time to build consistency as well. That 17-1 run was due in part to him being 'consitent' on the defensive end. Also, I wonder if the fact that for once in his injury-riddled career, he's trying to make up for lost time.
The god's honest truth. If Bean didn't want you scoring back then, you weren't scoring. The springs in his legs mixed with the cat reflexes were a glory to behold.
This is one of my favorite player highlight videos ever. The Biggie song clinches it.
Tbh as a sidekick to Shaq, Robinson could have won at least 5-6 rings. That frontcourt
I don't blame his inconsistency 'on being incosistent'. You can pin down his inconsistency on a number of things. He has the tools to be dominant but only does so in very limited spurts (otherwise we would have a 21_Palins thread every other game). Be it motivation, or whatever. Heck, we're talking about Bynum only because of how much Pau is sucking, not because he's been on a tear all season long. Yet Bynum can't even match Pau's average playoff production right now.
Wouldn't work nearly as well as Robinson/Duncan.That frontcourt
Now Kobe with Duncan as his second option? 6-8 straight imo.
lol @ this revisionist Kobe history, sons... What happened with this guy from 2003-2007??? Did the league disappear?
True. Though, I'd like to also put in question the way he's been utilized. But he is a member of the Big P coalition and i'm not talking Pu@#y like Pau is...(Potential).
I don't blame his inconsistency 'on being incosistent'. You can pin down his inconsistency on a number of things. He has the tools to be dominant but only does so in very limited spurts (otherwise we would have a 21_Palins thread every other game
No. Kobe got careless & reckless. It cost him his prime's prime.lol @ this revisionist Kobe history, sons... What happened with this guy from 2003-2007??? Did the league disappear?
He's salvaged his career though thru the last two rings. He delivered his own deliverance.
Nice post.
"average playoff production"
Spoken like a true idiot that doesn't watch basketball games.
Replace that has-been in Duncan with Bynum next to that worthless front line and Mandrew will give you some F'n production.
'Dominant' Bynum struggling to match Pau's production and barely squeaking by a 7th seed without one of their stars at home...Spoken like a true idiot that doesn't watch basketball games.
Replace that has-been in Duncan with Bynum next to that worthless front line and Mandrew will give you some F'n production.
lol @ not watching games...
At least I'll agree that Duncan is old and on the decline... What's Andrew's excuse? Or better yet, what excuse are you going to make for him?
Kobe was in the league then too. Knew he couldn't win so he stat padded like a mufuga. Put up numbers on bad or average teams. In those four seasons, still had four all star appearances, 3 all NBA 1st team selections, 1 3rd team selection, 3 all defense (not warranted imo), put up some ridiculous scoring performances and led the league in scoring twice, and since he was incapable of getting his team deep in the playoffs, pulled a meaningless ASG MVP for fun. Where was Kobe from 2003-2007? He was putting in work with very little team payoff.lol @ this revisionist Kobe history, sons... What happened with this guy from 2003-2007??? Did the league disappear?
Just because Kobe wasn't winning les, it doesn't mean he completely sucked during those seasons in between Shaq and Pau. Doesn't mean he shouldn't take criticism for his selfishness or inability to lead a team deep in the playoffs without at least a very good supporting cast and at least one elite big man. The criticisms are fair. But he certainly wasn't out of the league. And talent-wise, he was still one of the top players of the league. It just didn't translate much to team success. And sure he should take heat for that.
Not all Kobe fans completely gas up Kobe to unjustifiable extremes. He is what he is. He's a great talent who can be an integral player on a championship team. And he's proven that he can help a team win a championship as a "sidekick," as a 1B go-to guy, and as the undisputed leader of the team. Does he need help? Absolutely. Can he win without a great big man? Nope. Is he at the same level as Michael? no. Will he ever be? No to that too. Good chance no NBA player ever will be. Kobe is where he should be. One of the great NBA players of his generation and as it stands now a top 15 player in the history of the league, and arguably top 10 depending on your own opinion.
I think some Kobe critics think Kobe fans are all extreme in their view of him. There are some Kobe fans who are more than reasonable.
You're not your average Kobe slobber, Jammy. You're well aware of who the player is and what his limitations are, something clearly reflected in your post. But also something your average Kobefan(tm) isn't willing to accept.
If Kobe were to serve the Heat a championship on a silver platter circa Detroit in 2004, would HarlemHeat, MiamiHeat and ChrisRichards love him as much as Jamstone does?
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