We all may as well shut up about Splitter, despite the stats on Bonner/Blair

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, Tiago only alters shots, clogs the lane and basically wreaks havoc on the opposing teams game plan. He needs to be hoisting threes or getting his shot blocked after a rebound to be considered playing the right way.

Yep, if you're a white big man on this team, the only way you're getting run is if you can hit the three ball once a game to "spread the floor" when we don't even run our O through Tim anymore.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Yeah, Tiago only alters shots, clogs the lane and basically wreaks havoc on the opposing teams game plan. He needs to be hoisting threes or getting his shot blocked after a rebound to be considered playing the right way.

Tiago alters shots? I dont think he's ever been considered a shot blocker. As far as a defensive presence he's probably a better 'second-defender' with his ability to draw fouls on opposing teams. But I would argue that his ability to defend the block on his primary defender is his downfall right now. He seems to lack the lower body strength to keep players like Randolph or Gasol out of the paint. To me he is much better suited for players like Pau Gasol, Aldridge, and other players that of that sort.

[jeebus]

Tiago alters shots? I dont think he's ever been considered a shot blocker. As far as a defensive presence he's probably a better 'second-defender' with his ability to draw fouls on opposing teams. But I would argue that his ability to defend the block on his primary defender is his downfall right now. He seems to lack the lower body strength to keep players like Randolph or Gasol out of the paint. To me he is much better suited for players like Pau Gasol, Aldridge, and other players that of that sort.

While Bonner is better suited to play defense at the Y against kids. At least Tiago can defend and draw fouls; even if he only makes 1 or misses them both, it still puts a foul on one of their big men. Bonner goes out there and runs around fouling them while jacking up threes as if he's trying to mold the rim with his bricks.

[rascal]

It's baffling that a guy with size and good post defense, who also has big game experience, isn't playing.

Splitter does not have good post defense. He can't jump, is a poor intimidator and rebounder and would be easily boxed out and pushed around in this series. You are overrating him.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Splitter does not have good post defense. He can't jump, is a poor intimidator and rebounder and would be easily boxed out and pushed around in this series. You are overrating him.

I agree 100 percent. Dont get me wrong I love Splitters game. I think he can make huge contributions to this team eventually, possibly even becoming a 10-10 guy if given ample minutes. Unfortunately with him missing training camp and some of the regular season he is just not ready to be out on the floor. Hopefully, during the offseason (if there is not lockout) he can work with the strength and shooting coaches to improve his game. With a full training camp to get him acclimated to the Spurs system we can finally see the center we have coveted since 2003.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

splitter would get owned out there

gasol went off on him when he played against them


splitter would be usefully but he is not ready this year
thanks to his injury early on which was not pops fault

Yeah, he looked terrible going up against Gasol and Odom a couple of weeks ago

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Splitter does not have good post defense. He can't jump, is a poor intimidator and rebounder and would be easily boxed out and pushed around in this series. You are overrating him.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Poor intimidator? Poor rebounder?

Adjusted per 48 minutes, here are the rebounding and block stats for all of our bigs:

Rebounding (per 48)

Blair, 16
TD, 15.2
Dice 14.4
Splitter 13.6
Bonner 8.2

Blocks (per 48)

TD 3.2
Dice 1.3
Splitter 1.2
Blair 1.1
Bonner 0.7

[jeebus]

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Poor intimidator? Poor rebounder?

Adjusted per 48 minutes, here are the rebounding and block stats for all of our bigs:

Rebounding (per 48)

Blair, 16
TD, 15.2
Dice 14.4
Splitter 13.6
Bonner 8.2

Blocks (per 48)

TD 3.2
Dice 1.3
Splitter 1.2
Blair 1.1
Bonner 0.7

lol Bonner

All you can do is laugh when it comes to Bonner's game. It's so terrible, yet sad to think that some people think he's a good option(the blind homers).

[ChumpDumper]

Grizzlies are averaging 40 PPG in the paint in this series.

How many points in the paint did the Grizzlies average during the regular season?

[DesignatedT]

The Grizzlies averaged 42.1 Points in the Paint during the regular season, 3rd best among NBA teams. The Spurs gave up an average of 37.9 Points in the Paint during the regular season, 11th best among NBA teams.

[ChumpDumper]

The Grizzlies averaged 42.1 Points in the Paint during the regular season, 3rd best among NBA teams. The Spurs gave up an average of 37.9 Points in the Paint during the regular season, 11th best among NBA teams.

Could you tell me where you found those numbers? I, and I believe LJ found a source that had the Grizzlies' number much higher -- though the number you found would still be significant.

[DesignatedT]

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball.../4/diffeff/1-1

Could be wrong.

[FromWayDowntown]

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Poor intimidator? Poor rebounder?

Adjusted per 48 minutes, here are the rebounding and block stats for all of our bigs:

Rebounding (per 48)

Blair, 16
TD, 15.2
Dice 14.4
Splitter 13.6
Bonner 8.2

Blocks (per 48)

TD 3.2
Dice 1.3
Splitter 1.2
Blair 1.1
Bonner 0.7

Jackie Butler was a "per 48 minutes" beast.

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball.../4/diffeff/1-1

Could be wrong.

Interesting.

Look at the Stats inset in this story:

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/nba/...home=21&vis=12

Still looking.

[Fabbs]

Jackie Butler was a "per 48 minutes" beast.

Nothing like taking some obscure 1 minute per game Butler stat and try to use it against the very relevant stats Aggie posted.

Desperation.....
You're approaching Humpy level.

C'mon guy I've seen you post some very relevant stats before.
You're much better then this.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing like taking some obscure 1 minute per game Butler stat and try to use it against the very relevant stats Aggie posted.

Desperation.....
You're approaching Humpy level.

C'mon guy I've seen you post some very relevant stats before.
You're much better then this.

You do now realize the Grizzlies are scoring below their regular season average in the paint, don't you?

You said it is a very relevant stat -- do you understand it?

[FromWayDowntown]

Nothing like taking some obscure 1 minute per game Butler stat and try to use it against the very relevant stats Aggie posted.

Desperation.....
You're approaching Humpy level.

C'mon guy I've seen you post some very relevant stats before.
You're much better then this.

I didn't suggest that Splitter = Butler.

I did suggest that per 48 minute stats can be misleading.

[mingus]

It's too bad really, but I'm over it. Pop is a bag. His is going to get slung right back in his face, unfortunately.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure sounds like you're over it.

[Mugen]

"Stand By Your Man"

-Chump

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, I'm just making fun of silly people like you.

[Mugen]

"you'll have bad times
and he'll have good times
doing things that you don't understand
but if you love him
you'll forgive him
even though he's hard to understand"

[ChumpDumper]

See? It's fun to make fun of you.

[mingus]

Nah, I'm just making fun of silly people like you.

Silly is spending enough time on here to get 50, 000 posts.

[ChumpDumper]

It goes by pretty quickly when you don't pretend you're a coach or GM or newspaper editor.