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Changed George's grade after thinking about it some more.
Some of you need to go rewatch game 2. There is absolutely NO WAY Dice deserves anything better than a D+. He was playing "Ole!" on defense through 3.5 quarters.
Hill might be the only player who does deserve a better grade, because he produced, but I hate how he keeps getting lost on picks. Jefferson was as bad on defense as Dice.
But , if you want to base the Game Grades on stats alone, by all means do so. I just think a 6 point win in the playoffs to even the series against the Grizzlies is NOT indicative of how well this team can/should be playing. Many of you think iuf we win everyone should be a C or higher, and that's just not the case at all.
Changed George's grade after thinking about it some more.
McDyess played scared on defense in the second game because of the foul trouble he stayed in the first game. Randolf harrasses him with his hands while posting up or blocking out yet when Dice gets physical the whistle blows. The result was what you saw in game 2. Dice was just trying to stay in front but he was scared to body up.
He did have three blocks though.
Dyess was not good. Game 1's foul trouble undoubtedly had something to do with it, but he can play much better in roughly every facet of the game.
Cry Havoc's grades are solid. If Spurs fans want this team to actually win an O'Brien than the players (and more importantly, the coach's gameplan) has to be better than what we've seen. Memphis is good, but the Spurs should be much better. McDyess is not playing good, period. Bonner isn't good enough to defend their front court players, period. Tony Parker is way better then Conley, period. I hope the necessary adjustments are made for game 3.
Cry is not impressed obviously and so am I. I know the reason for this grades. I totally agree for most of them. The reason? This is not a CHAMPIONSHIP team if they will play like what they've played in 2 games. The team must be playing ala Duncan in the first half of Game 1.
these are not very good grades.
These grades are bull .
This is why timvp often doesn't do grades when he does write-ups. Some of you guys need to take this as what it is, one man's opinion. Stating what you disagree with and why is one thing but making comments like "these grades suck" without any reason is pretty , and adds nothing to the thread...
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They add a post. That helps.
No . Not to mention that studying the film, forming an opinion on every player on the floor, and articulating that for everyone to read takes a great deal of time and effort. So either debate with concrete points or GTFO because I, for one, appreciate it every time CH or timvp posts these. Especially during the playoffs. Keep up the good work CH.
Wow. cry havoc, a rare miss...did you even watch the games?
Pop deserves a D in game one at best and his lack of even trying to adjust to their height and size by playing Splitter leaves him there at best.
Also Duncan cannot score or due it all without help - in game one it was sublime to watch him try hard and let Dice, Blair or Bonner just play bad defense or to stand their while Parker or Bonner chucked long shots ad nauseum. Considering it is one big on two all the time he is a B right now at least and half a dozen of his fouls in the playoffs have been complete B.S.
This grades aren't real, are they? They're terrible.
Please gentlemen, do enlighten me as to what you mean. It's pretty easy to sit and point like a monkey on a branch. Put up or shut up. I'm more than willing to discuss what you think is so wrong about my grades, but I'm going to need a little more description from you than empty ing.
This, exactly.
NEW RULES:
Game Grades for Game 3 (if loss) - All Ds and Fs.
Game Grades for Game 3 (if win) - Everyone gets a B+/A! Except Bonner, because he obviously sucks so despite shooting 6-8 from 3 he gets a D-.
There. You guys happy?
Those who don't agree with these grades obviously have pretty low standards for this team and its players. There is not one player who couldn't have played significantly better in game 2 outside of Manu. Not one.
Tony - he's just plain lost out there. He's not kicking out to shooters when he should, he's missing the mid-range J, and just not attacking the defense with intelligence.
RJ - 3-point shooting and rebounding have been great/solid, but he's still not attacking Memphis' bigs enough, and his defense has been beyond atrocious.
Dice - horrible position defense, poor shooting, poor spacing. If there's a mistake to be made, he probably made it in games 1 and 2.
Timmy - he got frozen out by his teammates/coach in game 1, but he needed to be more aggressive with his touches in game 2. He's once again hesitating on the outside shot (an action that KILLS the offense) and turning the ball over too much with stupid passes. In game 2 his rebounding was also subpar. He also needs to realize that he needs to face up on Gasol and post up Randolph. I expect his post play to improve with better spacing by our guys.
Bonner - game 1 was a disaster outside of the 2 made 3s. In game 2 he provided solid D, solid enough rebounding, and played with physicality. He's still iffy on the 3-point shot, and has spacing issues (EYERONIE)
Blair - Memphis is an awful match up for him, and it's showed.
Neal - hasn't done anything too good or too bad in this series. Shot selection (as usual) has been iffy
Put it this way, if the Spurs from game 2 show up tomorrow on Memphis' home floor, they might get blown out of the building. I expect much better focus and execution in game 3.
you seem pretty mad. i think you expect too much from this team. first, parker does not deserve D's because he's been aggressive and pulling the trigger on his shots. he's just not hitting. remember, when he hits his jump shots, he is basically unguardable. you can't fault him for shooting the jump shots he's been shooting for the second half of his career. despite his poor shooting, he's still getting to the FT line (game one) and making plays that led to crucial 3 pt shots.
richard jefferson's D was never that good to begin with. you can't expect him to suddenly turn into a defensive stopper. he had some defensive lapses that he needs to fix but his offense was good so definitely deserves a B- or better. once he stops having those defensive lapses, then the grade would be elevated to an A.
tim duncan is getting older, can't expect him to go 25-12 like he usually does. duncan is providing solid offense and good defense. it's also not his fault that he doesn't get any plays called for him. i would give him a B for both games.
hill in game 2 was very good. he stayed aggressive, got to the foul line, made some clutch 3's and free throws all while playing solid defense, on mayo i believe, who went 2-11. that's all the spurs can ever want from hill. scoring 16 points on 9 shot attempts was pretty efficient. he deserves an A.
you keep thinking that the spurs are this great championship caliber team with great players, which is why you probably gave such low grades. the reality is that this spurs team is a contender but certainly has many weaknesses that requires a change in personnel more than its players actually playing better. however, if the spurs can fire on all cylinders, they would make a formidable team. you should adjust your grades on real player expectations rather than who you ideally believe they should be, like what timvp does. you sound like you expect richard jefferson to be bowen, hill to be the new ginobili, duncan to be prime duncan, and parker to be chris paul. it's not going to happen.
Good thread, Cry Havoc. This reminds me how thankless of a job it is to do grades
Hopefully you keep this up throughout the playoffs. I gave up doing grades once again because the drive-by comments, whether good or bad, become too pointless and time consuming to deal with. Let's hope you are a better man than me and keep pounding that grading rock.
Truth can hurt. Thank you Cry Havoc for a great job in assessing the team.
It's too bad about Tiago. You would think that after what happened with George Hill that Pop would not go down that path again... but history repeats itself. I'm sure Pop has good reason in his mind for not playing Splitter, but we sure would like to see him on the court... but it's not gonna happen.
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