Reason SA losing to MEM: PAU GASOL TRADE

[ElNono]

Sure if you want to look at it on a talent standpoint. That's shallow thinking.
How about the Lakers when they traded Shaq? I know they could have gotten better than a package featuring Lamar Odom (he was inconsistent as back then but is beasting now, but still). I didn't hear you guys ing then. Matter of fact, Pop mused that the Shaq/Kobe break up was akin to the Soviet Union splitting up. Remember that ? You can't have it both ways ElNono.

Completely different situation. Shaq was demanding a raise which the owner didn't want to pay, and Kobe wanted him out of the team. He basically forced his way out. When that happens, teams normally do get the shorter end of the stick.

Gasol was fine in Memphis. He didn't force anything. He had a value that was nowhere near Shaq value at the time, and was a much younger player with a bigger upside.

[ElNono]

Memphis fans sure aren't complaining now. If you know anything about sports trades you know that teams often give up a proven commodity (to save money or to get rid of a malcontent) for prospects with potential and draft picks. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Memphis never complained
That doesn't mean it wasn't a one-sided deal.

[namlook]

Completely different situation. Shaq was demanding a raise which the owner didn't want to pay, and Kobe wanted him out of the team. He basically forced his way out. When that happens, teams normally do get the shorter end of the stick.

There is an obvious parallel. The Lakers didn't seem to get full value for Shaq when that deal was made. The Grizz didn't seem to get full value either. You don't know how a trade will pan out until a few years down the line. Both the Lakers and the Grizz took initial hits and their won/less records suffered but both trades benefited all the teams involved in the end.

[ElNono]

There is an obvious parallel. The Lakers didn't seem to get full value for Shaq when that deal was made. The Grizz didn't seem to get full value either. You don't know how a trade will pan out until a few years down the line. Both the Lakers and the Grizz took initial hits and their won/less records suffered but both trades benefited all the teams involved in the end.

There's no parallel because Shaq didn't want to play for the Lakers unless he got a raise (this was during the offseason) while Gasol was comfortable in Memphis... Also, the Lakers DID shop Shaq around all summer. He was making so much money then though, that it was difficult to get equal value, and since he wanted to leave, they had to take what was there.

Memphis didn't shop Gasol at all, and he didn't force an exit either.

And lol @ saying that Lakers took a hit when Gasol went over... they went all the way to the NBA Finals...

[LkrFan]

Completely different situation. Shaq was demanding a raise which the owner didn't want to pay, and Kobe wanted him out of the team. He basically forced his way out. When that happens, teams normally do get the shorter end of the stick.

Not really. Who in their right mind would have thought that the Lakers would break up the best 1-2 punch in league history? Shaq and Kobe had fought for years. Years I'm telling you. You think 2006 was the first time the opportunity to trade Shaq arose? Shaq wasn't producing like he once did, he was gaining weight, losing motivation, and wasn't the player he was. Dr. Buss made the call and MK obliged.

The only thing that foiled the idea of getting true value for Shaq was him wanting to play in a warm climate. Hence he went out of the WC to Miami. Then the fat signs with cold ass Boston?!? him for that !! But make no mistake, he would have pulled a GP on us if we traded him to a team that would have given us good value. Like Indiana. JO and Artest back then would have been nice in P&G.

Gasol was fine in Memphis. He didn't force anything. He had a value that was nowhere near Shaq value at the time, and was a much younger player with a bigger upside.

Not one Spur fan gave two s about Pau when he was getting swept in the playoffs. But now he is a 2x champion playing for the Lakers, the tides have changed.

[21_Blessings]

Spur fan still mad over a trade that made Memphis better in the long run

Just face it:

Buss > Holt
Kupchak > Burford
Kobe > Timmy
Bynum > Timmy
Gasol > Timmy
Phil > Pop

The truth shall set you free.

[Ghazi]

Blessings get on AIM!

[21_Blessings]

Memphis didn't shop Gasol at all, and he didn't force an exit either.

Chicago says hi. lol wasting time arguing over this while ignoring facts. Go outside for once in your life.

[ElNono]

Not really. Who in their right mind would have thought that the Lakers would break up the best 1-2 punch in league history? Shaq and Kobe had fought for years. Years I'm telling you. You think 2006 was the first time the opportunity to trade Shaq arose? Shaq wasn't producing like he once did, he was gaining weight, losing motivation, and wasn't the player he was. Dr. Buss made the call and MK obliged.

The only thing that foiled the idea of getting true value for Shaq was him wanting to play in a warm climate. Hence he went out of the WC to Miami. Then the fat signs with cold ass Boston?!? him for that !! But make no mistake, he would have pulled a GP on us if we traded him to a team that would have given us good value. Like Indiana. JO and Artest back then would have been nice in P&G.

So you agree it wasn't the Lakers that wanted to break it up. Shaq forced his way out. If Shaq wanted to keep playing for the same money for the Lakers, he would still be there.

Not one Spur fan gave two s about Pau when he was getting swept in the playoffs. But now he is a 2x champion playing for the Lakers, the tides have changed.

Well, you have to agree that teaming up with Kome and Phil Jackson is a severe upgrade from Mike Miller and Fratello

[ElNono]

Chicago says hi. lol wasting time arguing over this while ignoring facts. Go outside for once in your life.

I know you might not be aware, but there's more than two teams in the league...

And I just came back from outside...

[namlook]

And lol @ saying that Lakers took a hit when Gasol went over... they went all the way to the NBA Finals...

You misunderstood. The Lakers took an initial hit when they traded Shaq just like the Grizz took a hit when they traded Gasol. Both teams then used the pieces they received to make their teams better. The Grizz were 0 for 12 in the playoffs with Pau and they are now up 2-1 on the #1 seed. The Grizz are better now than when they had Pau.

[21_Blessings]

You misunderstood. The Lakers took an initial hit when they traded Shaq just like the Grizz took a hit when they traded Gasol. Both teams then used the pieces they received to make their teams better. The Grizz were 0 for 12 in the playoffs with Pau and they are now up 2-1 on the #1 seed. The Grizz are better now than when they had Pau.

Meanwhile, the Spurs traded for thinking it would change things.

What idiots.

[ElNono]

You misunderstood. The Lakers took an initial hit when they traded Shaq just like the Grizz took a hit when they traded Gasol. Both teams then used the pieces they received to make their teams better. The Grizz were 0 for 12 in the playoffs with Pau and they are now up 2-1 on the #1 seed. The Grizz are better now than when they had Pau.

You're kidding right? Are you trying to compare the Lakers with the Gasol upgrade with this Memphis team? Not sure if serious

[ElNono]

Meanwhile, the Spurs traded for thinking it would change things.

What idiots.

Not everybody can do an under the table deal and land Gasol for peanuts...

[namlook]

You're kidding right? Are you trying to compare the Lakers with the Gasol upgrade with this Memphis team? Not sure if serious

The parallel is the Grizz made themselves better by trading Pau. The Lakers made themselves better by trading Shaq.

[ElNono]

The parallel is the Grizz made themselves better by trading Pau. The Lakers made themselves better by trading Shaq.

The differences are bigger than the similarities though... The Lakers shopped Shaq around, and Shaq wanted out. Gasol gave them an instant contender upgrade.

Memphis didn't shop Gasol around, they had all the time in the world to find the best deal since Gasol didn't want out, and it took them 3 seasons to put together a team that is basically playoff fodder.

[21_Blessings]

Memphis is a better, tougher team than they ever were or could have been with Pau Gasol.

Gasol/Randolph/picks > Pau.

Proof is in the playoff victories against a loser 1 seed.

[DMC]

The parallel is the Grizz made themselves better by trading Pau. The Lakers made themselves better by trading Shaq.

Bull .

The Lakers missed the playoffs after Shaq left and Kobe threatened to quit before getting Gasol. How is that "better" than a threepeat? You cannot move 10 years forward and tie that in with Shaq leaving. Otherwise the Spurs made themselves better by trading Rod Strickland, they won 4 rings.

[ElNono]

Memphis is a better, tougher team than they ever were or could have been with Pau Gasol.

Gasol/Randolph/picks > Pau.

Proof is in the playoff victories against a loser 1 seed.

They're playoff fodder.... they only other weak team they could mount a challenge against is the Lakers... they're not going anywhere regardless...

[namlook]

Bull .

The Lakers missed the playoffs after Shaq left and Kobe threatened to quit before getting Gasol. How is that "better" than a threepeat? You cannot move 10 years forward and tie that in with Shaq leaving. Otherwise the Spurs made themselves better by trading Rod Strickland, they won 4 rings.

Not better than the threepeat but the Shaq trade allowed the Lakers to reload and repeat. They would have never won another ring with Shaq. The Lakers with Gasol are much better than the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe the year Shaq was traded. Gasol only came as a result of the Shaq trade.

[ElNono]

Not better than the threepeat but they Shaq trade allowed the Lakers to reload and repeat. They would have never won another ring with Shaq.

But it's revisionist history... The Lakers didn't have an option with Shaq. He wanted out. They didn't know they could pull a collusion and land Gasol when they let him go. Heck, I still remember MK being in quicksand before the Gasol trade happened and Kome was threatening to bolt.

[namlook]

But it's revisionist history... The Lakers didn't have an option with Shaq. He wanted out. They didn't know they could pull a collusion and land Gasol when they let him go. Heck, I still remember MK being in quicksand before the Gasol trade happened and Kome was threatening to bolt.

This is all just noise. All the teams involved in both trades are happy with what they got. End of story.

[ElNono]

This is all just noise. All the teams involved in both trades are happy with what they got. End of story.

same excuse as when the trade happened...

It's water under the bridge now... but Lakerfan trying to rewrite history is nothing new, tbh

[21_Blessings]

LOL Scla

If your franchise's front office wasn't filled with a bunch of inept, dumb s, maybe you wouldn't be down 2-1 against the ing Vancouver Grizzlies

Learn to GM

[namlook]

same excuse as when the trade happened...

It's water under the bridge now... but Lakerfan trying to rewrite history is nothing new, tbh

No one is rewriting history. Sounds like pure delusion. All three teams in the Lakers, Grizz and Heat trades for Shaq and Gasol made themselves better with the trades. That's all you can ask for.