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    Manu means as much or more than Duncan at this point, and Pop knows it.
    Pop loves Hill and thinks he's a backup point guard. The reason Parker's not on my list is because I fear Pop thinks Hill is a starting point guard.
    Pop loves Bonner and he's overpaid with more than one year left.
    RJ is overpaid with more than one year left.

    I assume Pop has some loyalty to Tim Duncan, though I'm not sure, considering the way he's treated Duncan in the playoffs the last five years.
    Imo the above is a good summary.

    Think Tp stays with the contract.
    Duncan stays.

    I would like to know who we get to replace McDyess.

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    Only TD I think

    Manu and TP would require a young all star in return and it's not gonna happen
    RJ contract make him stay also

    After that everything is possible

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    Imo the above is a good summary.

    Think Tp stays with the contract.
    Duncan stays.

    I would like to know who we get to replace McDyess.
    Just up Bonner's minutes. Problem = solved.

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    Tim and Manu, and maybe Splitter should be the only real untouchables. Parker can be shopped around, and could bring some good pieces back. I think Pop has larger plans for Hill than that of 6th man, tbh. It seems as if he's being groomed to take over the starting PG job, but I could be wrong.
    I don't see that at all. I don't think Pop loves Hill as much as people really think. I especially don't think Pop see's him as a true PG.

    I think Pop is really high on TP, as he should be.

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    Duncan. Solamente.

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    Imo the above is a good summary.

    Think Tp stays with the contract.
    Duncan stays.
    TP signed for less than he could have gotten elsewhere. If Pop thinks Hill is his point guard he could punish Parker by trading him.

    I would like to know who we get to replace McDyess.
    When you realize that Pop refuses to play Splitter next to Duncan,and the reality sets in that he probably never will, and that the Spurs have a broken-down, past his prime power forward playing the "starting center" role, the statement above makes me

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    Just up Bonner's minutes. Problem = solved.
    Please God no.

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    I don't see that at all. I don't think Pop loves Hill as much as people really think. I especially don't think Pop see's him as a true PG.

    I think Pop is really high on TP, as he should be.
    You may be right, you have a better perspective than I do on the Spurs.

    Scro how can you not have Manu as an untouchable? Is it age and injury?

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    You may be right, you have a better perspective than I do on the Spurs.

    Scro how can you not have Manu as an untouchable? Is it age and injury?
    It's all about perspective. Like I said, I want them all here (big 3), but if it comes to blowing it up (which it could) then the only person who can't be traded is Tim.

    I still want to win. I want the Spurs to add more pieces if they can (tough to do), and Manu would definitely be a huge part of that. If they are going to go for it, then Manu is untouchable. But with the uncertainty, everyone should be available even though it will be incredibly sad as a Spurs fan.

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    I don't see that at all. I don't think Pop loves Hill as much as people really think. I especially don't think Pop see's him as a true PG.
    Pop started game one of the playoffs with Hill as the point guard while Parker was on the floor next to him. He did this for two quarters. Parker got the reins back in the third quarter and played great. Pop gave the ball back to Hill in the fourth.

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    So what I think will/should happen, could easily be very different from want happens.

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    TP signed for less than he could have gotten elsewhere. If Pop thinks Hill is his point guard he could punish Parker by trading him.



    When you realize that Pop refuses to play Splitter next to Duncan,and the reality sets in that he probably never will, and that the Spurs have a broken-down, past his prime power forward playing the "starting center" role, the statement above makes me
    Splitter will get way more minutes next year. Maybe not with Duncan but he will take Dice's minute

    He will not be a rookie anymore and he will have got better in the off season

    Maybe a 7 pts / 5 rebonds in 15 minutes next year

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    Pop started game one of the playoffs with Hill as the point guard while Parker was on the floor next to him. He did this for two quarters. Parker got the reins back in the third quarter and played great. Pop gave the ball back to Hill in the fourth.
    That is one game. Look at the bigger picture. With the way Pop likes to do things and the way he coddles Hill, I don't see him liking Hill as much as people think.

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    That is one game. Look at the bigger picture. With the way Pop likes to do things and the way he coddles Hill, I don't see him liking Hill as much as people think.
    That's an awfully big goddamn game. Respectfully, I don't see how the picture gets any bigger than that. I wish it weren't true, and maybe you do too, but the way Pop likes to do things is to punish the players he doesn't like for the smallest infraction and to never pull the players he likes no matter how ty they play.

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    Pop plays to the personality of the person. Just like he broke Parker by yelling at him 24/7; he coddles Hill and Bonner because their ego's are so fragile. He tells them what they want to hear not what Pop actually thinks of them.

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    Splitter will get way more minutes next year. Maybe not with Duncan but he will take Dice's minute

    He will not be a rookie anymore and he will have got better in the off season

    Maybe a 7 pts / 5 rebonds in 15 minutes next year
    If he puts up those numbers in 15 minutes, he will not have gotten better in the off season.

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    That's an awfully big goddamn game. Respectfully, I don't see how the picture gets any bigger than that. I wish it weren't true, and maybe you do too, but the way Pop likes to do things is to punish the players he doesn't like for the smallest infraction and to never pull the players he likes no matter how ty they play.
    That doesn't make any sense. If that were true, wouldn't Hill have gotten that look last year in the playoffs?

    Or are you trying to say that all of the sudden, Pop has changed his views on said players.

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    Pop plays to the personality of the person. Just like he broke Parker by yelling at him 24/7; he coddles Hill and Bonner because their ego's are so fragile. He tells them what they want to hear not what Pop actually thinks of them.
    Not really. I have never seen Pop coddle anyone like Hill. RJ needs the same "Hill" treatment, but Pop yells at his ass every game.

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    That doesn't make any sense. If that were true, wouldn't Hill have gotten that look last year in the playoffs?

    Or are you trying to say that all of the sudden, Pop has changed his views on said players.
    The fact that the Spurs have gone George Hill's entire NBA career without a backup point guard should be indication that Pop's view on Hill hasn't changed.

    Parker was the starting point guard for 82 regular season games and Pop suddenly made Hill the starting point guard for game 1. I don't know how that can be classified as anything other than drastic, and I don't know how anyone that's followed Pop's puzzling lineup decisions over the last five years could fail to see that as the remotest bit disturbing.

    I can see Parker being traded in the off season and Pop giving the reins of the team to Hill. I don't agree with it but he's done more insane things. Maybe that's a sign of how far my confidence in Pop has fallen in the last few years, but I submit the first half of game one in my defense.

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    Did he do that in games 2 and 3?

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    Did he do that in games 2 and 3?
    Did Manu miss games 2 and 3? I'm trying to be civil here, but do you want to discuss it or are you just going to be like Chumpdumper and ask ridiculous questions?

    Pop thinks Hill is a point guard, do you disagree? I've given evidence to support my position.

    Pop thinks Hill is capable of starting, do you disagree? I've given evidence to support my position.

    Parker signed a contract which makes him a bargain to all the other teams in the league, and therefore isn't safe. Do you disagree?

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    So most everyone thinks the Spurs return with the same core.
    How many years do they have to continue trying to win with the same core team.

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    I do disagree and my questions refute your points. Pop views him as a back up and one game doesn't change that IMO.

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    If I had to pick between Hill and Neal, I choose Neal. I wouldn't mind holding on to both though since they both contribute at various times.

    Parker is indispensable. His current slump notwithstanding, he is one of the most consistent of the Spurs on offense. Duncan and Ginobili hold equal positions of importance within the organization, and are likewise indispensable.

    McDyess has not been looking good recently. I think calls for him to continue on the Spurs next year were premature at best when they were permeating spurstalk after the glorious tip-in a few months ago.

    Blair is becoming more and more of a disappointment by the day. Strong start, powerful player early on. His disappearance since the promotion of Dice to starter is concerning to say the least and I am on the verge of wanting him to be traded away given the fact that he has become such a liability on both ends of the floor.

    Splitter...no comment.

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    Manu means as much or more than Duncan at this point, and Pop knows it.
    Pop loves Hill and thinks he's a backup point guard. The reason Parker's not on my list is because I fear Pop thinks Hill is a starting point guard.
    Pop loves Bonner and he's overpaid with more than one year left.
    RJ is overpaid with more than one year left.

    I assume Pop has some loyalty to Tim Duncan, though I'm not sure, considering the way he's treated Duncan in the playoffs the last five years.
    As stubborn as Pop may be, I think he realises that Hill is a versatile SG, I don't think he sees him as a starting PG, mainly because of his lack of playmaking skills (compared to him, TP looks great)...

    Each time he talks about Hill, it's about his ability to score, not about him "running the show" (as he talks about TP).

    I don't think he is crazy enough to make Hill a PG, that would be insane or Manu would have too much to do...

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