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Dumb post. That subs ion (starting the 2nd half) just demonstrates poor coaching which is the same as Splitter not getting any minutes the prior 3 games.
You know when McDonald writes his blog he's going to be in constant orgasm the Spliter didnt save the day
Dumb post. That subs ion (starting the 2nd half) just demonstrates poor coaching which is the same as Splitter not getting any minutes the prior 3 games.
He was -14 for the game. The two fouls he committed to start the 3rd allowed the Griz to get into the penalty with over 9:00 to play in the quarter. And they proceeded to put the game away during that stretch with a 14-0 run. As I said, the loss is not on his shoulders, but for everyone freaking out about his minutes, take a look at what happened when he was on the floor in the 2nd half. A 2pt halftime lead went to a double-digit deficit and a doomed quarter in the first few minutes of the 3rd.
If only Pop coddled Bonner every second of the day with carte blanche shooting and playing major minutes the entire season for multiple seasons.
We wanted the better option not a savior.
Awktalk=idiot
Plus/Minus? Meaningless stat for personal production. If that's the only measuring stick you're going to use, then Hill costs us the game since he almost doubled him at -26.
You need 4 fouls to get into the penalty. He only comited two.
Of which Tiago was only responsible for 4 points. And that's for the 14 point side. Who was responsible for the 0 side of 14-0? All Tiago too?
You're assigning a 14-0 run (all on FT) to a guy that didn't take 7 shots, nor committed all 7 fouls...
How do you suggest Tiago should have defended the other 10 free throws that weren't his fault? Would have Blair or Bonner fared better? Please expand on this thought.
It could have easily been a 20-0 run if he didn't defend Gasol well on the block during that period, including grabbing a couple of rebounds over him and Haddadi. He did look somewhat lost out there, being that it was his first playoff game, but to chalk up a 14-0 run on the guy when he couldn't defend free throws, or didn't take shots, it's kind of inane.
Hill was awful, hence the -26.
2 fouls in two minutes which results in the Griz shooting the penalty from the 9 minute mark is not blameless. Ok, great, he didn't commit all 5 of them. Props.
A 14-0 run is the worst the Spurs have suffered during the series. Which was completely unexpected considering they played about their best half of the series through the first two quarters. All I know is that Splitter started the 2nd half when he never has before and the Spurs lost the game in the first 3 minutes, never to contend for the rest of the way. Of course it wasn't his fault, but he greatly contributed to the meltdown that may cost the Spurs their season.
You guys getting trolled.
Ok, myth one out: He didn't put the Spurs over the penalty.
Who else comitted fouls during that stretch? Let's out who are responsible for that...
Nice. Avoid the points completely and go with the "All I know is that Splitter started the 2nd half".
Don't dodge the questions:
- How much he contributed on failing to defend the other 10 free throws that weren't his fault?
- How about how much he contributed on the Spurs turning the ball over repeatedly or the Spurs not making a single shot?
Please, feel free to be loquacious when you explain those.
Why is your re ed ass still trying to pin a 14-0 run on a guy taken out of the game halfway through it.
LOL ing about his two fouls. Damn Tiago, he shoulda just let them dunk and get the crowd in it!
Tiago should have blocked the free throws!!!
This series is all on Pop - from resigning Bonner and RJ to failing to integrate Splitter in the RS to panicking and starting him in the second half to small-ball with RJ at PF and watching Arthur continually abuse him.
How many minutes has Splitter played with Duncan/Parker/starting unit? Why didn't he just do what he did in the first half and bring him in with the second unit and Manu? Stupid, stupid move. And to not play Neal (who can put up points in a hurry) until the game was out of hand.
RJ - what a useless, ill-fitting player - stuck with him for 4 years.
Heart-wrenching to see Manu stand there and watch Battier shoot that 3.
To the OP, Splitter was the best big out there tonight.
Look, the loss was not the fault of any one player. When did anyone ever claim that? It was a total team breakdown in the 2nd half, from top to bottom. But the Spurs had the lead at the break, and then a giant, shocking, SpursTalk-sponsored change was made by starting Tiago in the 2nd half. He got his minutes. He had his chance. And the Spurs got run out of the gym during that time. The point isn't to place blame on Tiago, but to point out simply, to all the armchair coaches, that there is no magic bullet to beating the Grizz. And for the thousands of words that have been posted on ST about how the Spurs wouldn't suck if Splitter would just get a chance, well..... that didn't work out too well.
Troll getting owned.
It's funny how certain people who didn't post anything after game 3 are posting in this thread to grasp at straws to argue Splitter was at fault.
Spurs played fine basketball in the first half and were poised to win the game. Splitter coming off the bench had a lot to do with that. Problem was Pop put him in there with Duncan to start the second half. He changed a formula that was working better than any first half all series. For what?
Don't move the goalposts. You put the 14-0 squarely run on Tiago's shoulders. I'm asking you to back it up. Answer the questions.
A bunch of guys played those first few fatal minutes in the 3rd quarter... Tony, Manu, RJ... Some of those guys had as many fouls and more turnovers than Tiago...
So you're pinning the 14-0 run on Tiago, even though he likely had the least to do with it, because you're trying to make a completely unrelated point? Well, that's rich. You could have started there.
The Spurs didn't suck when Tiago was out there, IMO, unless you want to focus just on those 4 mins (out of the 20 he played). He played well in the first half and gave us a lift. He played as well as you could expect defensively from him in the 2nd half.
Neither Blair or Bonner has given us offensively, so the 10 points he provided were a bonus (or at least as good as Blair).
There's no magic bullet to beat the Grizz... there's also no magic bullet that points to Tiago being the sole culprit of the 14-0 run. If anything, Pop panicking and playing Tiago is nothing but an admission that the armchair coaches were onto something.
Arguing for or against Splitter right now should take a back seat after what we all witnessed tonight, though. And that is that no amount of trying to upgrade the roster around Tim Duncan is going to make up for the fact that in reality Tim Duncan is a borderline all-star at best at this point in his career. You can't compensate for not having a superstar top 15 player of all time. The team is just mo longer compe ive. That was clear to me for the first time tonight.
I don't know how many different ways that I can say Splitter contributed to, but was not the cause of, the 0-14 open to the 2nd half.
Tim was awful, RJ was non-existent, there were 5 fouls committed in under 3 minutes, and Splitter had 2 of those. Maybe they were good fouls, but they still resulted in MEM in the bonus with more than 9+min to play in the quarter. And they drowned us. To remove all blame from Splitter is as ridiculous as placing all blame on him.A bunch of guys played those first few fatal minutes in the 3rd quarter... Tony, Manu, RJ... Some of those guys had as many fouls and more turnovers than Tiago...
Nope. Three-quarters of all threads between game 1 and this game have been "Fire Pop because he doesn't play Splitter" threads. And Splitter finally gets meaningful, valuable minutes, and the Spurs still lose. Yet I don't see any, "Damn, I was wrong about Splitter minutes" threads.So you're pinning the 14-0 run on Tiago, even though he likely had the least to do with it, because you're trying to make a completely unrelated point? Well, that's rich. You could have started there.
He was great in his first stint, stringing together nice stands on both ends of the court in the 1st and 2nd quarters. Like the rest of the Spurs, he collapsed in the 2nd half when it mattered. And when 90% of ST posters are wanting to fire Pop over lack of Splitter minutes, someone needs to step up and say that he is not the Rosetta Stone of the Spurs.The Spurs didn't suck when Tiago was out there, IMO, unless you want to focus just on those 4 mins (out of the 20 he played). He played well in the first half and gave us a lift. He played as well as you could expect defensively from him in the 2nd half.
The trolls have been fed. Splitter got the minutes that everyone was BEGGING Pop to give him. And it didn't make a difference either way. There's plenty of blame to go around, but the "POP SUX FIRE HIM PLAY SPLITTER" nonsense needs to stop.Neither Blair or Bonner has given us offensively, so the 10 points he provided were a bonus (or at least as good as Blair).
There's no magic bullet to beat the Grizz... there's also no magic bullet that points to Tiago being the sole culprit of the 14-0 run. If anything, Pop panicking and playing Tiago is nothing but an admission that the armchair coaches were onto something.
this game only confirmed the fact that pop playing splitter would not have impacted the game either way. the deficiencies of the entire roster led to this deficit, not just because of one player or coaching decision.
Line by line responses are so lame. No one ever reads them.
You could start by answering the questions, tbh.
Myth two out: Tiago and his fouls were not the sole responsible for the 14-0 run.
Have you considered that perhaps that has to do with producing more than the guy he was replacing?
People were as equally worried about Tony's production... you just pretending that they weren't....
I don't think any realistic fan here expects Pop to be fired, much less over Splitter minutes... but there's no doubt that Pop cornered himself by not having Splitter ready for the playoffs...
You might be right. Parker is our most consistent player, the only one of the big 3 closest to his prime, and he's having a bog-awful series. If we're going to have realistic assessment of TD, we've got to face Manu's decline as well. I've got zero faith that he can remain healthy and play at an all-star level anymore. The big 3's finished.
Dont blame Splitter. He worked fine with Bonner in 2q. With Duncan they just crowded the paint, making no room for drives. Zach or Gasol didnt killed Spurs yesterday. It was theirs backcourt and benches players. They played terrific.
its bs how you focus on parts of the game, but u didnt say anything about his first quarter performance, which was better then what rj, blair, bonner put up for 4 games...
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