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  1. 04-26-2011 #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
    Cliff Huxtable wasn't a weatherman.

    He was an obstetrician and his wife was an attorney.

    Tony Perkins and Al Roker were/are meteorologists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    Is that why you're in IT?

    Personally, I'm glad you can't outsource a TS/SCI...
    I'm in it because I like it... and can get away with paying the bills off it...

    But I can't say outsourcing hasn't affected our business... luckily for us, some of out customers that tried outsourcing ended up getting bit with poor service and came right back later on... but overall it isn't a pretty picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
    The median income numbers are current. If you can provide me with any data to contradict what I posted then feel free but as yet I've seen nothing to support that studying a science is anything but a good career choice.

    The reality is what the facts say the reality is. Jobs are definitely being outsourced, but some of the only areas where jobs are actually being created here in the United States are the STEM fields.

    I get it, science jobs are in danger of being exported but not finance jobs?
    To be honest, no, finance jobs are not in danger of being exported because locality is key in that field and the US has the biggest financial market in the world.

    But I'm no expert on the matter at hand at all, so I'll take your word for it. Other than my first hand experience with things like outsourcing, I really don't have anything 'at stake' in this discussion.
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  4. 04-26-2011 #54
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    Why is locality key in finance? I would imagine finance - basically the analyzing of information and providing expert advice - is something that could be done ANYWHERE. I see absolutely no reason why it would require you to be in a specific location.

    Nono I just simply take issue with the main points raised in the blog you posted and the links contained with in it. The le of this thread is flat out wrong. Science jobs are not lousy and are among the best out there in anyway you measure it. They have lower unemployment, they make just as much and in most cases more money than most other jobs, and they are projected to grow at great rates.

    If science jobs are lousy then I don't understand what is good? There will be jobs in those fields lost to outsourcing, but I don't think theres a single field out there immune to that situation and STEM jobs are going to be much safer than pretty much every alternative.
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  5. 04-26-2011 #55
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    A science job is job security, even better than a Masters in most cases...

    Manny's obviously never heard of Wall Street, you gotta go where the money is and it aint in Kansas, and never will be..
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    Wrong thread
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  7. 04-26-2011 #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinS
    He was an obstetrician and his wife was an attorney.
    They're sitcom characters, dumbass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElNono
    I'm in it because I like it... and can get away with paying the bills off it...

    But I can't say outsourcing hasn't affected our business... luckily for us, some of out customers that tried outsourcing ended up getting bit with poor service and came right back later on... but overall it isn't a pretty picture.


    Do you have a computer science degree?
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    You have a limited number of years to prove yourself in any profession, just so happens that if you prove yourself in one of the finer sciences, and yes bio-tech is a science (but not Meteorology).....your gonna make big bucks....it's a tough world to make big bucks in...
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  10. 04-27-2011 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by florige
    Do you have a computer science degree?
    That's what I'm working on... halfway there. :p
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    I don't think many science majors are accepting finance-based jobs because they pay better, I think it has more to do with the job market. Also, I'd like some examples of the jobs physicists have that earn $100k. That sounds pretty skewed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by florige
    Do you have a computer science degree?
    No
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    Quote Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
    Why is locality key in finance? I would imagine finance - basically the analyzing of information and providing expert advice - is something that could be done ANYWHERE. I see absolutely no reason why it would require you to be in a specific location.

    Nono I just simply take issue with the main points raised in the blog you posted and the links contained with in it. The le of this thread is flat out wrong. Science jobs are not lousy and are among the best out there in anyway you measure it. They have lower unemployment, they make just as much and in most cases more money than most other jobs, and they are projected to grow at great rates.

    If science jobs are lousy then I don't understand what is good? There will be jobs in those fields lost to outsourcing, but I don't think theres a single field out there immune to that situation and STEM jobs are going to be much safer than pretty much every alternative.
    I didn't come up with the le. I copy/pasted the story, including the le straight from Slashdot... As I said earlier, I'm just the messenger
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    Women Surpass Men In Advanced Degrees For First Time

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tml?view=print


    Working women better educated than men

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...e=domesticNews

    but white men pay the women 25-30% less than men for same job.


    Then we have black man sucking up to racist/misogynist conservatives/Repugs:

    Rep. Allen West: American Men are Being Neutered

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/04/...ned-parenthood
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    Falling Demand for Brains?


    the college wage premium, after rising sharply in the 80s and 90s, has stagnated lately. Indeed. Here’s the ratio of earnings for full-time working men with college degrees versus those with high school, from the Census:

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    how we have a decent society if and when even highly educated workers can’t command a middle-class income.


    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...nd-for-brains/



    The Overselling of Education

    http://www.epi.org/analysis_and_opin..._of_education/
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    My cousin has a master's in chemical engineering.

    After his research grant ran out, he couldnt find work, so now he works for contractor at GM making pretty good cash, but waaaaay under his education level.

    Take it for what it is.
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    R&D is where the money is. And software development is the cheapest R&D out there.
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