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    His scoring is overshadowing the decent job he's doing on defense. He is not a stopper, and he never will be that, but he's been playing against fairly tough compe ion (Granger, Ariza, Hill) and he's not the glaring hole he was last season. That was my main concern with him, and he's been doing a good job so far. Hope he keeps it up.

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    He was never a "glaring hole" defensively to begin with. He just wasn't a stopper, which most people were expecting (IE "the next Bowen").

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    He was never a "glaring hole" defensively to begin with. He just wasn't a stopper, which most people were expecting (IE "the next Bowen").
    This is where we disagree, obviously.
    There's no 'next Bowen'. I certainly wasn't expecting that from him.

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    Bowen is irreplaceable. RJ averaging 20 points in four games and doing it at a superb 65.9 FG percentage is very surprising. I believe he'll hit a slump, but not that much. If he produces in the 17-18 ppg range, teams have to worry about 4 legitimate scorers at the same time for the Spurs.

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    Why? I'm overjoyed! If you read the thread I repeatedly stated that I hoped he'd prove me wrong, which is what he's doing, offensively anyway. He's still no lockdown defender, but he was never going to be so I won't hold that against him. RJ is playing excellent basketball at this point and I'm really happy to see it, happy that (at least at this very early point in the season) he's proving me wrong. Let's hope it continues.

    PS I still think he was massively overpaid, I still think we'll come to regret his contract, and he's never going to be the lockdown perimeter defender we so badly lack. We'll have to find that elsewhere. But I am glad he looks a lot better out there than he ever did last year.

    PPS Probably wise to save your crowing until later in the season. The first month means very little because most teams are still finding their feet.
    Says the guy who ragged on him and started this thread after a couple of preseason games.
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    Why? I'm overjoyed! If you read the thread I repeatedly stated that I hoped he'd prove me wrong, which is what he's doing, offensively anyway. He's still no lockdown defender, but he was never going to be so I won't hold that against him. RJ is playing excellent basketball at this point and I'm really happy to see it, happy that (at least at this very early point in the season) he's proving me wrong. Let's hope it continues.

    PS I still think he was massively overpaid, I still think we'll come to regret his contract, and he's never going to be the lockdown perimeter defender we so badly lack. We'll have to find that elsewhere. But I am glad he looks a lot better out there than he ever did last year.

    PPS Probably wise to save your crowing until later in the season. The first month means very little because most teams are still finding their feet.
    You need to stop already..Before this season you questioned RJ's overall game (he seems to have fixed many problems), now you are going to use the overpaid angle on the guy (Guy took a paycut and you still about his contract), and then there is the defensive stopper (sorry to dissappoint but we had no stopper before bowen and we probably will not have for another for a long time). Just say you were wrong and quite trying to find different things wrong with the guy. If you dont like him, fine, just say that...

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    He's been the best Spur thus far this season. If he can keep it up the Spurs are going to be good. Given his current field goal percentage, if he can keep this up he's probably going to be an MVP candidate.

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    's on fire so far. I just hope he doesn't pull a Steve Smith 2002.

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    's on fire so far. I just hope he doesn't pull a Steve Smith 2002.
    HITA status would be a severe drop, no doubt. I like that he is finding himself in the system. I agree with RnR in the sense that it was very apparent, he didn't fit at all. That whole square peg in a circle thing was the best way to describe RJ. He teased us all in Game 1 LAST year but then became a s of himself becoming an enigma. I'd liken what people say about RJ was similar to what LAL bandwagon and fan alike were saying when Lamar Odom showed back up at Staples. Enigma then, fairly consistent now. I hope for RJ's continued success. We all do...even RnR.

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    Why? I'm overjoyed! If you read the thread I repeatedly stated that I hoped he'd prove me wrong, which is what he's doing, offensively anyway. He's still no lockdown defender, but he was never going to be so I won't hold that against him. RJ is playing excellent basketball at this point and I'm really happy to see it, happy that (at least at this very early point in the season) he's proving me wrong. Let's hope it continues.

    PS I still think he was massively overpaid, I still think we'll come to regret his contract, and he's never going to be the lockdown perimeter defender we so badly lack. We'll have to find that elsewhere. But I am glad he looks a lot better out there than he ever did last year.

    PPS Probably wise to save your crowing until later in the season. The first month means very little because most teams are still finding their feet.
    I think Manu4Tres responded to this best. I also think this bump was well deserved. You have illustrated you are ready to write off RJ's play at any cost for the "minor compensation" of being right about something. Whether it's his overall play, or his lack of skills in being a "stopper," or his contract, or whatever. He still might prove his signing was the best move we could make, all options considered. He's done well on D to start. He's certainly started his contract on a very strong note. Why are you so ready to be a "hater"?

    For the record, I couldn't care less about someone hating on RJ at this point since he's decided he's gonna play like the RJ we know instead of a hallowed out 6'7 corpse. I'm positive he'll hit a tough stretch, too, but if he can play like these 4 games somewhat consistently ...

    ... then I think we can bury this thread for good.

    Let's hope, right?

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    's on fire so far. I just hope he doesn't pull a Steve Smith 2002.
    Can't wait for Sean to go off mid-game w/ "Might was well call him 'Chlamydia', 'cause 's on FIE-uhhhh!"

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    I think you have been had with this one. RJ deserves credit for his offseason work. For someone to recognise their faults, and then do something about it, earns my respect.
    Thats all you can ask for. Glad to see there are aussies on here that think differently to our bitter mate, in Ruff.

    To start a thread like this going by pre-season form was just laughable.

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    ...excuse me, I am a little lost here...

    I actually like RJ and have been hoping he improved...

    but...

    can anyone here direct me to the

    Matt Bonner haters roll call?

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    Just have to point out that, much to my and every other Spurs fans chagrin, I was ing right about RJ. Useless bas , and now we're saddled with 3 more years of him at 10mil per, a contract that NEVER MADE ANY SENSE AT ALL.


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    Fitting end of the season for RJ... glued to the bench because he sucks... to think he had me fooled back in December...

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    I'll finally join this.

    No doubt in my mind he has played his last game here in a Spurs uniform so the contract extension doesn't really matter... It's not like it prevented us from getting anybody else.

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    Sadly, he had us all fooled, El Nono, then stole our wallet like a cheap hooker.

    It was always the contract that concerned me most - we were always going to need a big overhaul sometime around 2012 when Tim's contract is up, yet they re-signed him for 4 years at way over market value. If he'd signed for around the MLE it would have been a decent deal, but RJ@10mil/yr is untradeable without giving up another good asset like Hill or Blair.

    "You do it to yourself, you do, and that's what really hurts..."

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    ......I'm In..... I should of been in months ago. The dude is wasted space.

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    I'll finally join this.

    No doubt in my mind he has played his last game here in a Spurs uniform so the contract extension doesn't really matter... It's not like it prevented us from getting anybody else.
    Who is going to take him for 30mil over the next 3 years at a time when the NBA is monetarily contracting? NO-ONE. It's not about whether it prevented us from getting someone else last summer, it's about how it hamstrings our cap for the next two years (at least) as I explained when I first made this thread. Look at the BIG PICTURE.

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    It took me this long to finally see RJ the same way I see Bonner: complete and utter garbage.

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    He didn't have us all fooled.

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    It's not so much that I hate Jefferson. It's just that herpes would probably contribute more to the team.
    's on fire so far. I just hope he doesn't pull a Steve Smith 2002.

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    Who is going to take him for 30mil over the next 3 years at a time when the NBA is monetarily contracting? NO-ONE. It's not about whether it prevented us from getting someone else last summer, it's about how it hamstrings our cap for the next two years (at least) as I explained when I first made this thread. Look at the BIG PICTURE.
    The Spurs will find a way to move him if they truly want him gone.

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    The Spurs will find a way to move him if they truly want him gone.
    Yeah, you don't want to see that. Look at what it cost the Spurs to salary dump one year of Butler's contract for 1/3rd of what Jefferson makes per year.

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    I'll finally join this.

    No doubt in my mind he has played his last game here in a Spurs uniform so the contract extension doesn't really matter... It's not like it prevented us from getting anybody else.
    He'll be back.

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