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Unfortunately Dice has stated his intention to retire, so I doubt that trade works out
Richard Jefferson has been, again, a huge disappointment this year. He ended his season with a 0 points in 10 minutes performance. Trading him should be a priority but he has a horrible contract ($30.5M/3 years).
Five realistic or, at least, semi-realistic, RJ's trade ideas:
1) RJ, Dice and the 29th pick to Charlotte for Stephen Jackson ($19.3M/2 years) and Diop ($14.3M/ 2 years).
Stephen Jackson is better than RJ and has a better contract, so Spurs must take Diop's contract and gave up the 29th pick to offset that.
Charlotte does this trade to create $7.3M in additional cap space for the 2012 summer.
2) 3 teams trade:
- Spurs trade RJ, Dice and Bonner for Rip Hamilton ($25M/ 2 years) and Charlie Villanueva ($24.2M/ 3years).
- Pacers trade James Posey ($7.6M/1 year) for Matt Bonner.
- Pistons trade Villanueva and Hamilton for RJ, Dice and James Posey.
Pacers get additional cap space for this summer and a backup PF.
Pistons saves some money and get $10.3M in 2012 cap space.
3) RJ and the 29th pick to Warriors for Andris Biedrins ($27M/3 years).
Both players have a similar contract and struggle with their current team.
4) RJ to nets for Outlaw ($28M/ 4 years) and Petro ($6.8M/2 years).
Outlaw has a less worst contract than RJ so Spurs had also to take Petro.
5)RJ and the 29th pick to Phoenix for Josh Childress ($27M/ 4 years) and Gani Lawal (min ungaranteed contract).
Both players would be a better fit with their new team.
There are some other options available but they are either less realistic or are really bad for Spurs.
Unfortunately Dice has stated his intention to retire, so I doubt that trade works out
Id take anyone, just ship this piece of out of San Antonio.
But he can be traded, then retire afterwords, right?
Those sound great and all, but after watching RJ choke on donkey balls for the last two years, do you think anyone really wants RJ, even if it means eventual cap space and picks?
Yes Dice will retire and it gives even more chance to the trade
More cap space for the team acquering his contract
Trade 1 is the one that get spurs much better IMO.
Jackson would really help on both side of the court
Let's hope Charlotte is still desperate in immediate Cap space and trade him for less value like they did with Wallace
And let's hope another team doesn't propose cap space and better pieces. Because it's not that difficult to beat this spurs offer of Dice and RJ
Are the trade exceptions owned by Cleveland and Toronto still active ?
If that's the case, If I am Charlotte I would prefer a trade exception than 5 millions expiring and a 30 millions / 3 years bad contract
Last edited by eric365; 05-01-2011 at 10:36 AM.
only the last two options are realistic in my mind and i wouldn't do the last option, the Nets trade is reasonable but not somthing stimulate for us.
and all this stuff are pointless to me cause i'm so sad about TD and Manu not having another chance to a ring, not with our cheap owner and the team we have right now, i will not stand they playing in their last years for nothing, i just wish the management will be loyal for them and trade them.
what about TD and Manu for Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan(sign and trade), it will give TD and Manu opportunity to play next to real franchise player and create a contender, the Spurs will get two great young players to build for the future.
Manu and TD will retire in SA. No way in will the Spurs trade them away.
First of all, the idea is stupid, why is trading them away being loyal? They are on the tail end of their careers and firmly planted in SA already. You think they will appreciate starting over in a different city?
Second, the Spurs will lose a ton of fans and sales of merchandise because those 2 bring the most fans to the team.
Lastly, I just dont want to see them wearing a different uniform, it'll just break my already suffering heart.
Number 1, 3, and 5 (in that order) I favor very much. Pulling off any of those trades I think would kickstart the offseason much better than we could've thought of.
Let's see:
1st trade - I think the Bobcats do it just to get rid of Diop. The problem here is that with this trade the Spurs would have to pay the lux tax, right? If that's the case, i don't see this happening at all.
2nd trade - We have too many guards in our roster and i think the Pistons would rather trade Ben Gordon. And to be honest i don't see a headcase like CV in a Spur uniform.
3rd trade - The Spurs would do it in a heartbeat, but i think the Warriors would not. I think they could do better than that if they have the intention to trade Biedrins.
4th trade - I think the Nets do it in a heartbeat and we wouldn't even have to take Petro's contract back. RJ was bad this season, but Outlaw was atrocious. I don't mind having Outlaw. I think he would be a better fit than and and think would play better in New Jersey as well.
5th trade - I would do it in a heartbeat, but i think PHX would not. Childress did not get many opportunities because PHX is stacked in the SF position. i don't think they're going to give up on him so early, especially not getting Jefferson back.
"RJ just needs to run around some cones with me in the offseason and he'll be back to shooting 60%... Not worried about him"
Trade scenario #4
4) RJ to nets for Outlaw ($28M/ 4 years) and Petro ($6.8M/2 years).
Outlaw has a less worst contract than RJ so Spurs had also to take Petro.
This is the one that makes the most sense.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 05-01-2011 at 11:46 AM.
Scenario #4 is the most likely of the 5.
The Bobcats are likely to get better value for Jax in terms of youth/picks/expirings from a team looking to upgrade their wing position. IDK why the Pacers should do trade #2 - if they wanted a backup PF I'd rather take a chance on a mid/low pick or a D-leaguer than Matty. Although the Warriors like smallball, I doubt they send Biedrins in exchange for trash like RJ. Also the Suns IMO would rather give Childress another year to show something than pick up RJ.
I'm not sure the Suns would hold onto Childress. Thats a possibility.
Biedrens - I'm not sure how that would work. I thought about the it the other night as well. But with Keith Smart out and a new coach coming in, they may hold onto him.
I like option #1, just don't know if Jordan will go after that. I think he'd be more interesting in cap space and picks to rebuild the team.
Bobcats probably have max cap space in 2012 even without this trade, so no huge need to do such a trade. Specially with Jax being way better than RJ, shorter contract etc.
Biedrins developing standing still, but he is still a young center with upside.
Swapping a declining 31y old wing for a 25y old center with upside? Not gonna happen.
Why would anyone trade a penny for a piece of
Option 1 would be best but not eventually happening
Mine that I posted in the 2011-2012 trade thread
Chalie Vill.+ Resigned Prince
for
Rj,Blair,Anderson,Dice(retires Pistons save some cash)
-Prince is not expected to return to the Pistons
-Charlie is over paid for the same amount of years as RJ.
-If Dice retires the Piston save some cash. Right?
-Everyone wants to give Kidd all the credit for RJ's success but RJ performed very well with the Bucks
-Rj shot half the amount he did with the Bucks this year. His numbers will increase with the Pistons. He will be a better player for the Pistons than Charlie.
-On top of saving money allowing the Pistons to sign multiple FA they get some young pieces. Blair,Anderson,and maybe others
Of course it works out. Thats the best part of it, Dice retires so its basically trading capspace.
so you think TD and Manu prefer to play their final faw years they have left for a team playing for nothing(Spurs lack a franchise player in order to be a real contender) instead for a ring?!?!
also to see them wearing a different uniform will be hard for me too, but what will be harder to me and i think for every Spurs fan also is to see them wasting their couple of years they left in them instead of trying to get another ring that they sure desire cause they compe ive as they come!
It wouldn't be any different than when we traded Ferry's "contract" after he retired.
Love the first trade, hope to see it materialize...
jefferson + hill for scola
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