Kobe: "Loss had nothing to do with me"

[da_suns_fan]

son that was about as clear of a look that a player can get and he bricked it. but what more should any of us expect from Kobe? like I have said before he is hands down the most overrated NBA player .... wait no ... the most overrated ATHLETE arguably over the last 50 years. never in my life have I seen any other athlete receive the type of help from the officials and undeserving praise from the media that he has received throughout his entire career.

if you take away all of Kobe's bogus free throws that were awarded to him by the NBA to inflate his scoring numbers, then he would be nothing more than a 15-19 point per game player with a pathetic shooting percentage.

I dont know about that. Hes extremely talented. Its just a shame he has no friends because he's a total D-Bag.

I wonder how long he practiced "the face" in the mirror before the game yesterday.

[cobbler]

Bynum is one of the youngest centers in the league. There's no excuse for a guy like Pau struggling, but this is the first playoffs where the Lakers have really been going to Bynum heavily. Dude might need a little guidance here and there. Freezing him out because he lacks aggression early? That just doesn't make sense to me. I doubt Kobe had the mentality he does now when he was what, 22? But he expects Bynum to man up and dominate... come on, it's incredibly unreasonable.

Then GTFO Bynum. It's a mans game. Consistency is a big part of it. It's not Kobe's job to coddle Drew. If he needs it, which is absurd, thats on the coaching staff.

Nobody froze Drew out. Had he hustled and got in position, he would have got the ball. He didn't and didn't. Last I looked too, there were 3 other guys on the court yet only Kobe didn't pass it to drew.

[Jose Canseco]

Agree with this.

Expecting them to do a lot on the offensive end while you're jacking up 30 shots in a game is kind of ridiculous, however.

Why? He's done it plenty of times and the Lakers won. This is not the first time Kobe has taken a lot of attempts. Don't you think his teammates are used to it? And this isn't a 6-for-24. He was actually hitting. Means his teammates have to make the most of their opportunities when they do get touches and shots. You act like this is the first time Kobe has taken close to 30 shots in a game. At least he was hitting.

You're coming off as pretty disingenuous. At least try to be reasonable.

[Cry Havoc]

Cheap by NBA standards. That's less than the MLE. And MLE players are generally good role players. Players making less are less than good role players.

But every team has scrubs that make almost nothing, even the Lakers. Drop their $$$ from the table and you're left with very decent to good role players. 4 great players and a set of good players isn't enough for Kobe.

He has three very talented teammates. The one with the most talent is playing like a pussy.

Truth, but keep in mind that Gasol did have 15/11. It's not like he was invisible out there. Without him the Lakers get crushed in this game, even if he did play poorly in the 4th.

[cobbler]

I dont know about that. Hes extremely talented. Its just a shame he has no friends because he's a total D-Bag.

I wonder how long he practiced "the face" in the mirror before the game yesterday.

Now you know how many friends he has? Please clue us in on this. Links? Comments? I would love to see where you aquirred this knowledge.

I'll wait...

[Jose Canseco]

Agree with this.

Expecting them to do a lot on the offensive end while you're jacking up 30 shots in a game is kind of ridiculous, however.

Why? Is this the first time Kobe has taken close to 30 shots in a game? His teammates are used to it. There have been plenty of times where Kobe has taken a lot of shots and the Lakers won the game. It's up to his teammates to make the most of their opportunities when they get touches. It's not like they're not used to it. And this wasn't 6-for-24. Kobe was actually hitting. You're reaching.

The Lakers should be more concerned about how they defend Dirk and Terry, and how Marion actually can be impacting the game. The Lakers had control of the game for the most part. The second unit gave it away early in the fourth quarter. You may not like how Kobe did it, but he has a point.

You're coming off as disingenuous. At least be reasonable.

[cobbler]

But every team has scrubs that make almost nothing, even the Lakers. Drop their $$$ from the table and you're left with very decent to good role players. 4 great players and a set of good players isn't enough for Kobe..

So calling out your teammates for playing ty is blowing up the team? He called them out. They will resopnd. Nothing more than that. And it was enough to garner 5 btw.

Truth, but keep in mind that Gasol did have 15/11. It's not like he was invisible out there. Without him the Lakers get crushed in this game, even if he did play poorly in the 4th.

Oh, so if Pau doesnt give us his half ty game we lose by more. BRILLIANT! How about if he steps up they blow the Mavs out?

[da_suns_fan]

Then GTFO Bynum. It's a mans game. Consistency is a big part of it. It's not Kobe's job to coddle Drew. If he needs it, which is absurd, thats on the coaching staff.

Nobody froze Drew out. Had he hustled and got in position, he would have got the ball. He didn't and didn't. Last I looked too, there were 3 other guys on the court yet only Kobe didn't pass it to drew.

Translation: You can criticize other Lakers. Just dont criticize KOBE!

btw - which other Laker shot the ball 30 times without an assist?

[Jose Canseco]

But every team has scrubs that make almost nothing, even the Lakers. Drop their $$$ from the table and you're left with very decent to good role players. 4 great players and a set of good players isn't enough for Kobe.

So if you admit their scrubs, what's wrong with Kobe telling the scrubs to play better?

Truth, but keep in mind that Gasol did have 15/11. It's not like he was invisible out there. Without him the Lakers get crushed in this game, even if he did play poorly in the 4th.

2008 NBA Finals all over again. If you looked at Gasol's stats against Boston in the 2008 NBA Finals, it would have told you Gasol was steady and had a good series. Anyone who actually watched the series knows Gasol got punked by the Celtics frontline and played like the walking vagina he was called.

Gasol did not play well last night. Forget the stats. He got pushed around, stripped, blocked, and was largely ineffective.

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[da_suns_fan]

Now you know how many friends he has? Please clue us in on this. Links? Comments? I would love to see where you aquirred this knowledge.

I'll wait...

Im pretty sure he's got no friends on the Lakers bench.

Maybe Im being harsh. He DID buy those watches for his teammates when he was trying to show the media he had changed so he could get that MVP award! Someone might have been dumb enough to believe he geniunely wanted to be their friend.

You would be his friend, huh Cobbler?

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[da_suns_fan]

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[Cry Havoc]

Then GTFO Bynum. It's a mans game. Consistency is a big part of it. It's not Kobe's job to coddle Drew. If he needs it, which is absurd, thats on the coaching staff.

So 23 year old Kobe never had an off-night? Never had a game where he wasn't cutting it in the first half? It has NOTHING to do with coddling Bynum. He's a young guy who doesn't have a lot of playoff experience, and he's playing a team with a very sizable, defensive minded front line. The fewer looks he gets, the harder it's going to be for him to figure out how to score as the series goes on.

Nobody froze Drew out. Had he hustled and got in position, he would have got the ball. He didn't and didn't. Last I looked too, there were 3 other guys on the court yet only Kobe didn't pass it to drew.

Sorry, I thought Kobe wanted to be the leader of the Lakers? If you're the leader you better lead by example and be prepared to take responsibility for the losses. You know damn well if Kobe hit that 3, it would be all over the papers about how Kobe "led" the Lakers to a win in the closing seconds. But he missed it, and all of a sudden the loss is on his teammates? That's absolute bull and in no other sports city in the US would it fly like it does in LA. I haven't checked Lakersground but I hope at least a few of the fans over there are displeased by the way Kobe is ducking this.

Why? He's done it plenty of times and the Lakers won. This is not the first time Kobe has taken a lot of attempts. Don't you think his teammates are used to it? And this isn't a 6-for-24. He was actually hitting. Means his teammates have to make the most of their opportunities when they do get touches and shots. You act like this is the first time Kobe has taken close to 30 shots in a game. At least he was hitting.

You're coming off as pretty disingenuous. At least try to be reasonable.

It's still a team game. It's tough for guys to get into a rhythm when they don't get touches. Odom was aggressive practically EVERY time he got the ball. The result? 10 shots in 31 minutes. And he was scoring on 50% too. Where are his touches? He even got to the line as much as Kobe despite shooting NINETEEN less attempts. 10 shots.

[Cry Havoc]

Way too close to the mark to be parody.

[cobbler]

Translation: You can criticize other Lakers. Just dont criticize KOBE!

btw - which other Laker shot the ball 30 times without an assist?

You can criticize all players if it warranted. First of all he didnt shoot 30 times he shot 29 and MADE 14. He was on. Sercond, you do know who the Laker assist leader is over the last 5 years no? Thirdly, He passed the ball to an open Artest, Pau, and Drew who bricked their shots. Funny thing about those assists that the wide open player Kobe passed to needs to make it.

[Cry Havoc]

You can criticize all players if it warranted. First of all he didnt shoot 30 times he shot 29 and MADE 14. He was on. Sercond, you do know who the Laker assist leader is over the last 5 years no? Thirdly, He passed the ball to an open Artest, Pau, and Drew who bricked their shots. Funny thing about those assists that the wide open player Kobe passed to needs to make it.

48% = on fire for Kobe.

[cobbler]

Im pretty sure he's got no friends on the Lakers bench.

Maybe Im being harsh. He DID buy those watches for his teammates when he was trying to show the media he had changed so he could get that MVP award! Someone might have been dumb enough to believe he geniunely wanted to be their friend.

You would be his friend, huh Cobbler?

I have met him several times. Was always cordial to me.

Again, you said Kobe has no friends. Now you say he has no friends on the bench.

Please show me your sources for this info. I honestly interested.

[Jose Canseco]

Sorry, I thought Kobe wanted to be the leader of the Lakers? If you're the leader you better lead by example and be prepared to take responsibility for the losses. You know damn well if Kobe hit that 3, it would be all over the papers about how Kobe "led" the Lakers to a win in the closing seconds. But he missed it, and all of a sudden the loss is on his teammates? That's absolute bull and in no other sports city in the US would it fly like it does in LA. I haven't checked Lakersground but I hope at least a few of the fans over there are displeased by the way Kobe is ducking this.

Kobe had 36 points last night. Regardless if Kobe makes or misses that shot, he was the biggest reason for the Lakers having a chance to win. Making or missing that shot doesn't change the fact that some of his teammates, particularly the bench, didn't play well.

Your point doesn't make sense.

It's still a team game. It's tough for guys to get into a rhythm when they don't get touches. Odom was aggressive practically EVERY time he got the ball. The result? 10 shots in 31 minutes. And he was scoring on 50% too. Where are his touches? He even got to the line as much as Kobe despite shooting NINETEEN less attempts. 10 shots.

On the season, Lamar Odom averaged 10.9 FGA in 32.2 MPG.

You need to stop it with this line of logic. Kobe shoots a lot. He always has. Always will. He knows it. You know it. I know it. Phil knows it. Every one of his teammates know it. This isn't the first time. Shooting a lot is what Kobe does on this Lakers team. It has worked the last two seasons. No way is this an issue where Kobe is shooting too much so his teammates playing poorly is a result of that. Come on now.

[da_suns_fan]

You can criticize all players if it warranted. First of all he didnt shoot 30 times he shot 29 and MADE 14. He was on. Sercond, you do know who the Laker assist leader is over the last 5 years no? Thirdly, He passed the ball to an open Artest, Pau, and Drew who bricked their shots. Funny thing about those assists that the wide open player Kobe passed to needs to make it.

Amazing that Gasol managed 7 assists considering the other Lakers cant make shots.

[cobbler]

Amazing that Gasol managed 7 assists considering the other Lakers cant make shots.

And who passed the ball to Gasol so he could? You are really stretching here. Rewatch the game and see how many open looks he created for teammates that ended up bricking them. You making yourself look as foolish as Cry

[Jose Canseco]

Amazing that Gasol managed 7 assists considering the other Lakers cant make shots.

Lol 4 of those assists were to Kobe, who was hitting jumpers. 2 were for Bynum dunks.

You are not smart.

[Cry Havoc]

On the season, Lamar Odom averaged 10.9 FGA in 32.2 MPG.

He was effective. Wasn't Kobe's contention that his teammates sucked, and the bench needed to step up? So if you're not Kobe, and you're playing really well, you're only en led to your avg. number of shot attempts? Does that make sense? Odom was giving the Mavs fits last night.

You need to stop it with this line of logic. Kobe shoots a lot. He always has. Always will. He knows it. You know it. I know it. Phil knows it. Every one of his teammates know it. This isn't the first time. Shooting a lot is what Kobe does on this Lakers team. It has worked the last two seasons. No way is this an issue where Kobe is shooting too much so his teammates playing poorly is a result of that. Come on now.

Kobe had a wide open look at a game winning 3. He missed. He then blamed his teammates (specifically the bench even though Odom had a very very good game). Just pointing out how stupid that is. You're more than welcome to continue disagreeing.

[da_suns_fan]

Lol 4 of those assists were to Kobe, who was hitting jumpers. 2 were for Bynum dunks.

You are not smart.

Which is 2 more than the Kobe-ster got.

I guess all the assists the Lakers had were all passes to Kobe.

[da_suns_fan]

Kobe had a wide open look at a game winning 3. He missed. He then blamed his teammates (specifically the bench even though Odom had a very very good game). Just pointing out how stupid that is. You're more than welcome to continue disagreeing.

Exactly. Kobe shot the ball 19 times more than any other teammate and he blames the bench for not getting guys involved?

Did he black out the last minute of the game?

But Kobe apologists think Kobe is immune from criticism. You cant reason with them. It doesnt matter if Kobe shot the ball 30 or 60 times. Kobe does no wrong!