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Just playing devils advocate, invading a soverign nation and assassinating someone is to.
Why didn't it work with KSM then?
Just playing devils advocate, invading a soverign nation and assassinating someone is to.
where the are these pictures at. damn
I'm not asking anyone to PROVE anything. I'm just saying that it's not a moral issue FOR ME. My concern is whether or not it is effective. If it's a complete waste of time, then I'm not for it.
I actually step away from my computer from time to time.I can now see why you usually just run away in threads. When you actually try to defend yourself you just come out even looking dumber.
Don't shoot the messenger
This was Benazir Bhutto, the hopeful FEMALE presidential candidate for Pakistan back in 2007. After she revealed that Osama Bin laden was apparently murdered and that the whole "War on Terror" was a farce, she was assassinated. Her killer was never found and it was made official that she was killed because she was a "female" running for president in an Islamic Country - and we all bought it.
Here is an excerpt from an article - www.opednews.com...I also like to state the fact that the Taliban wanted to give up Osama Bin Laden back in 2001 in effort to prevent an Invasion of Afghanistan. We all know how the story goes from then. www.guardian.co.uk...
Bhutto herself has exposed the fraudulent nature of the Bush/Blair "war on terrorism". If Bin Laden is dead, as has been reported, then the various tapes that he is alleged to have made are all phony. The war on terrorism itself is a callous, calculated fraud perpetrated by a murderous Bush regime, a murderous Blair regime, a murderous puppet regime of Musharraf. That's why Bhutto was murdered.
She was the woman who knew too much. Bhutto exposed the fact that US policies cause terrorism and she stated the various ways in which groups inside the US and Britain benefited politically and materially from the phony war on phony terrorism, the failed war in Afghanistan, the war crime that is still perpetrated against the people of Iraq.
Bhutto posed a threat to the culprits in the Bush regime to include Bush himself. She posed a threat to the kiss ups in Musharraf's regime to include Musharraf and the liars who tried to float the incredible "lone lever" theory.
She was murdered. And the BBC has been caught censoring the most important piece of the puzzle.
My friends, we all have been duped. Even Wikipedia has been edited to remove any mention of Osama Bin laden being "supposedly killed" or dead anytime before 2nd May 2011.
A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night. For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan's military leadership said. But US officials appear to have dismissed the proposal and are instead hoping to engineer a split within the Taliban leadership.
en.wikipedia.org...
Plus to add to the fact, Bin Laden's body was immediately buried in the sea with no pictures taken of his dead body...And we're supposed to believe he is dead with no proof?
Even if he was killed on 2nd May 2011 as many of you may believe, I only fear what will happen next. Al Qaeda even threatened a Nuclear storm if Bin laden was killed. icwnews.com...
I know not what the motives are of the US government, but I fear a nuclear threat is imminent in the near future which will undoubtedly lead to World War 3 with somehow Iran in the equation.
Source: IDK
Last edited by lefty; 05-03-2011 at 02:23 PM.
I've heard spanking is effective.....would it be immoral if we just spank our enemies?
I'm not in a position to say if it did or didn't and neither are you. It could be the threat of going back for another round was finally enough. We just don't know.
But we'll never know if said advanced interrogation actually worked, right? So why use it then, if we're not even aware if it produces results?
Now that's a good question. Maybe the interrogators are just evil people that enjoy hurting people. There's got to be SOME reason they employ those techniques.
Then why does good cop/bad cop even exist?
You still obviously don't understand burden of proof.
Didn't you say we'll never know? Then how can you ask for data?
And even if it isn't "entirely ineffective", that says nothing to the moral arguments against using it.
lol too many youtube movies
mainly for Hollywood.
Darrin already tried this. He looked really stupid doing so. I can't believe you are going down the same road.
I really don't care one way or the other.
Maybe you should ask yourself why that is the case. *shrug*
Don't shoot the messenger
This was Benazir Bhutto, the hopeful FEMALE presidential candidate for Pakistan back in 2007. After she revealed that Osama Bin laden was apparently murdered and that the whole "War on Terror" was a farce, she was assassinated. Her killer was never found and it was made official that she was killed because she was a "female" running for president in an Islamic Country - and we all bought it.
Here is an excerpt from an article - www.opednews.com...I also like to state the fact that the Taliban wanted to give up Osama Bin Laden back in 2001 in effort to prevent an Invasion of Afghanistan. We all know how the story goes from then. www.guardian.co.uk...
Bhutto herself has exposed the fraudulent nature of the Bush/Blair "war on terrorism". If Bin Laden is dead, as has been reported, then the various tapes that he is alleged to have made are all phony. The war on terrorism itself is a callous, calculated fraud perpetrated by a murderous Bush regime, a murderous Blair regime, a murderous puppet regime of Musharraf. That's why Bhutto was murdered.
She was the woman who knew too much. Bhutto exposed the fact that US policies cause terrorism and she stated the various ways in which groups inside the US and Britain benefited politically and materially from the phony war on phony terrorism, the failed war in Afghanistan, the war crime that is still perpetrated against the people of Iraq.
Bhutto posed a threat to the culprits in the Bush regime to include Bush himself. She posed a threat to the kiss ups in Musharraf's regime to include Musharraf and the liars who tried to float the incredible "lone lever" theory.
She was murdered. And the BBC has been caught censoring the most important piece of the puzzle.My friends, we all have been duped. Even Wikipedia has been edited to remove any mention of Osama Bin laden being "supposedly killed" or dead anytime before 2nd May 2011.
A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night. For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan's military leadership said. But US officials appear to have dismissed the proposal and are instead hoping to engineer a split within the Taliban leadership.
en.wikipedia.org...
Plus to add to the fact, Bin Laden's body was immediately buried in the sea with no pictures taken of his dead body...And we're supposed to believe he is dead with no proof?
Even if he was killed on 2nd May 2011 as many of you may believe, I only fear what will happen next. Al Qaeda even threatened a Nuclear storm if Bin laden was killed. icwnews.com...
I know not what the motives are of the US government, but I fear a nuclear threat is imminent in the near future which will undoubtedly lead to World War 3 with somehow Iran in the equation.
Source: IDK
Great post Lefty
Strawman.
They probably felt that, due to lack of personnel and time, torture would be a quicker/more effective means of gaining intel. Conventional interrogation takes time in order to earn the trust of the prisoners and break them down; torture doesn't require such.
Right. A bunch of lawyers and politicians thought it would work.
That's why they employed these techniques.
Good cop/bad cop can work, but only because it gets the captive to trust the good cop, which is coincidentally also the aim of conventional interrogation.
Tell me, does bad cop/bad cop interrogation work?
Bush said we needed to, and that was enough for Darrin. Still is, looks like.
I'm sure there are a lot of things that the CIA, FBI, military, etc. do that your average citizen might find morally questionable. As long as they are doing it to very bad people and for the protection innocent people, I just don't lose sleep over it.
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