Racial discrimination scandal in Fench football (ok, soccer)

[ALVAREZ6]

How so? I think it's pretty clear how so. What you said is that the French federation will try to limit his investments to French players only, therefore discriminating the rest of the kids that live in France. Federations shouldn't make that kind of distinction they should just treat every child the same way. It shouldn't matter what nationality a kid has. Imagine if Barcelona would have done the same to Messi 'cause he isn't Spanish.

I'm pretty sure it isn't about the domestic leagues, but rather the national team. If so, it makes sense.

The stroy is about the double nationality issue. They are a lot of players trained in federal french structure with double or triple nationality who can change of NT, idea was to try to limit that by just investing state money on potentials who will play for France.

"who can change of NT (national team)" ..."who will play for France"

[sonic21]

Well, if the 100% Fench players didnt suck so much, bi-national players who decide to play for the country of their parents wouldnt be such a problem

that's not really true.
those who are not good enough to play for the french NT then choose to play for the country of their parents. Nobody has a problem with that. For example, your guy Meghni always claimed he wanted to play for france before choosing Algeria.

Bi-national are not the problem and never will be.

[Brazil]

Because the Local white talent is "France". They're the founding genetic fathers of the French people. We in the US are spoiled because we live in a heterogeneous society of many cultures and ethnicities. We could cheer for whoever we want and it wouldn't make a difference because we are all mixed. genous societies, like France, (which is down to 60% of ethnic French) really benefit if they start seeing some of their own making it big in Soccer again. I mean, come on, the French have lacked confidence ever sense Napoleon took over France.

It doesn't feel the same I guess. Picture that you are the ruler of a genous society. You enter a contest to win a trophy of some kind, but instead of sending your home grown talent, you send some super jacked freak athletes from a different country, or they are only part of that ethnicity. I guess victory and relatedness doesn't feel the same as when a group of your "good ole ethnic" boys wins it. I think it's a message (by the French people) to all the all French ethnic white boys, to stop being pussies and to man the up. That's what it comes down to!

The founding genetic fathers you're just a kkk

I'd love to see how you would define a founding genetic fathers. When do we start ? at the Cro Magnon guy found in the South West of France who liked to paint stuff in Lascaux cave ?

Well, if the 100% Fench players didnt suck so much, bi-national players who decide to play for the country of their parents wouldnt be such a problem

We're still friends, Brazil, right?


Right?

What is the concept of 100% French ? There is no such a BS of 100% French.

I'm not more French than Zidane, sorry. BTW I do think considering what he has done for France he is more French than I am. BTW I'm a French bas living in Brazil and paying tax in Brazil. BTW I'd love Ginobily try to explain to me what are the genetic fathers of Brazil ?... good luck with that.
BTW the so called issue of blacks in France team is a Lepen favorite, good ing reference.

I'm pretty sure it isn't about the domestic leagues, but rather the national team. If so, it makes sense.



"who can change of NT (national team)" ..."who will play for France"

thanks Alvarez

[lefty]

Well....























Neal rapERIOD

[ALVAREZ6]

only lefty

[lefty]

[DAF86]

I'm pretty sure it isn't about the domestic leagues, but rather the national team. If so, it makes sense.

I didn't see anything there that said it was about the national team (maybe I'm getting lost in translation), but if it is about the NT the answer should be easy, ask the kid where does he want to play, once a player plays for a national team that player can't perform for another country, it's very simple.

In Argentina we had a similar case a couple of months ago with an Argentinian born kid that was living in Paraguay. The federation asked him where did he want to play and he said "for Argentina", and that was it, not AFA nor the Paraguayan federation made any more fuss about it.

[Brazil]

I didn't see anything there that said it was about the national team (maybe I'm getting lost in translation), but if it is about the NT the answer should be easy, ask the kid where does he want to play, once a player plays for a national team that player can't perform for another country, it's very simple.

In Argentina we had a similar case a couple of months ago with an Argentinian born kid that was living in Paraguay. The federation asked him where did he want to play and he said "for Argentina", and that was it, not AFA nor the Paraguayan federation made any more fuss about it.

Of course it's for NT it doesn't make sense for private teams because they have contracts to protect their assets.

The issue raised in France is: there is no problem if a young player after being trained by federal structures chose another country to play if federal structure finally thinks he has no chance to play for France NT.

Nevertheless there is an issue when a player decides to play for another country very young. We have cases in France when a young player of 15 years old has been trained during 4 / 5 years for free within french federal structure, who finally decides to play for another country despite the fact french federation consider he could play for France.

[ALVAREZ6]

I wouldn't wanna play for France either, Gonzalo made the right decision

[diego]

Nevertheless there is an issue when a player decides to play for another country very young. We have cases in France when a young player of 15 years old has been trained during 4 / 5 years for free within french federal structure, who finally decides to play for another country despite the fact french federation consider he could play for France.

yeah, that makes sense, but isnt it the federation's responsibility to choose players to develop? why do they need quotas or to use race/religion as a filter to determine who will likely leave for another NT? Also, for every player that leaves, how many pan out and help the french NT? it seems to me that immigrant players have been a positive influence in french football, and seems a little silly that they would use an arbitrary quota to limit their involvement on the fears that some might get away from them. Since when are investments guaranteed, much less in sport where a freak injury can change everything?

[lefty]

Of course it's for NT it doesn't make sense for private teams because they have contracts to protect their assets.

The issue raised in France is: there is no problem if a young player after being trained by federal structures chose another country to play if federal structure finally thinks he has no chance to play for France NT.

Nevertheless there is an issue when a player decides to play for another country very young. We have cases in France when a young player of 15 years old has been trained during 4 / 5 years for free within french federal structure, who finally decides to play for another country despite the fact french federation consider he could play for France.

Hey if his parents have paid their taxes, why not ?

[Spurologist]

how so ?

It's like a nba club spending money to develop a player and the guy signs with another team (see Ian M). What do you think about the club who spent the money and trained the guy ?
That was not a clever investment.

Now imagine money coming from your tax payments spend on a young player to see him play for another country. thats pretty dumb.

The whole story is not about racism but just investing wisely the state money.

So what you are defining is what a french person actually is. So just because you are black, we won't spend money on you because we don't think you are french and you will probably decide to play for another national team anyway. Instead, we are just gonna focus on the whites. What France is doing is alienated its own people by saying that we don't think you are truly french enough so we will put our money only on whites. You see how some people can perceive it to be racist?

The French are feeling some heat for that bull and are trying to do damage control.

[ALVAREZ6]

So what you are defining is what a french person actually is. So just because you are black, we won't spend money on you because we don't think you are french and you will probably decide to play for another national team anyway. Instead, we are just gonna focus on the whites. What France is doing is alienated its own people by saying that we don't think you are truly french enough so we will put our money only on whites. You see how some people can perceive it to be racist?

The French are feeling some heat for that bull and are trying to do damage control.

and to add, France as a whole have done a good job of alienating certain groups over and over again. But such is the case is many places. Just weird to see it in sports, whether or not intentional.

[Ginobilly]

The founding genetic fathers you're just a kkk

I'd love to see how you would define a founding genetic fathers. When do we start ? at the Cro Magnon guy found in the South West of France who liked to paint stuff in Lascaux cave ?



What is the concept of 100% French ? There is no such a BS of 100% French.

You hit the nail right in the head buddy, that's exactly who I'm talking about.

Modern Europeans are the descendants of Cro-Magnon man and Neanderthals.

Italy's, Germany's, England's, and Spain's Cro-Magnums have 9 legit les combined, Brazil is the daddy with 5, Those pesky, annoying Nazi South Americans have 4 combined, and Africa has 1. It would validate France's *98 Championship if they were to win all again with at least the majority being "ethnic" French.( Like how Italy and Spain recently did it) Kinda like how Tim Duncan validated the Spurs 99 championship when he led the Spurs to the le again in 03.


I'm an American of mixed ancestry by the way(Anglo, Mexican, Native-American, and black). I'm not racist at all, I just call em like I see em. It's okay if you need the help of some brothers from the motherland; in order to compete with the more physical and tougher cro-magnon men from Germany, Holland, and Spain. It has nothing with race, but rather psychological with the French. French society has pussyfied Ethnic French men that I think they could never regain their confidence again. They're the same race as those other countries, so they have no excuses not to put at least 90/95% ethnic national successful teams out there.

[Brazil]

yeah, that makes sense, but isnt it the federation's responsibility to choose players to develop? why do they need quotas or to use race/religion as a filter to determine who will likely leave for another NT? Also, for every player that leaves, how many pan out and help the french NT? it seems to me that immigrant players have been a positive influence in french football, and seems a little silly that they would use an arbitrary quota to limit their involvement on the fears that some might get away from them. Since when are investments guaranteed, much less in sport where a freak injury can change everything?

Just to clear things up, I'm not saying the debate is right and we need to do something about that by implementing restrictions or increasing selection criteria. I was just explaining that the whole stuff has nothing to do with racism but with investing money wisely. Laurent Blanc is not a racist guy by any mean, the whole scandal is BS.

Then I do agree with your post, quotas are not the solution and every investment has a part of risks and in the case of France it worth it (see Zidane).

Now for instance I do think if a young player accepts to play for let's the sub 17 years old France NT he shouldn't be able to change his mind and play for another country 2 years later unless there is an agreement of the French federation considering his potential.

So what you are defining is what a french person actually is. So just because you are black, we won't spend money on you because we don't think you are french and you will probably decide to play for another national team anyway. Instead, we are just gonna focus on the whites. What France is doing is alienated its own people by saying that we don't think you are truly french enough so we will put our money only on whites. You see how some people can perceive it to be racist?

The French are feeling some heat for that bull and are trying to do damage control.

I do agree regarding the feeling people can have. Point is, it was an internal discussion there was a leak and the interpretation of all that stuff is wrong. Nobody is stupid enough (unless your name is Lepen) in France to try to limit the number of guys who enable us to win a WC.

You hit the nail right in the head buddy, that's exactly who I'm talking about.

Modern Europeans are the descendants of Cro-Magnon man and Neanderthals.

Italy's, Germany's, England's, and Spain's Cro-Magnums have 9 legit les combined, Brazil is the daddy with 5, Those pesky, annoying Nazi South Americans have 4 combined, and Africa has 1. It would validate France's *98 Championship if they were to win all again with at least the majority being "ethnic" French.( Like how Italy and Spain recently did it) Kinda like how Tim Duncan validated the Spurs 99 championship when he led the Spurs to the le again in 03.


I'm an American of mixed ancestry by the way(Anglo, Mexican, Native-American, and black). I'm not racist at all, I just call em like I see em. It's okay if you need the help of some brothers from the motherland; in order to compete with the more physical and tougher cro-magnon men from Germany, Holland, and Spain. It has nothing with race, but rather psychological with the French. French society has pussyfied Ethnic French men that I think they could never regain their confidence again. They're the same race as those other countries, so they have no excuses not to put at least 90/95% ethnic national successful teams out there.

Dude I don't even know where I have to begin.

First of all Cro Magnon is tied with African Mechta and Afalou, it seems that the fathers of Cro Magnon are African
Second it has been demonstrated for instance that the Basques in France or Spain have nothing to do with Cro Magnon and guess what they are white "caucasian" european. The feeling that Cro Magnon represent the Europeans is at best a floklore, there is absolutely 0 evidence whatsoever.

There is no such BS of Ethnic French men. At the end of the line a white guy isn't more french than a black guy like a ing basque isn't less french than I am.

Your argument about genetic fathers is dumb as .

France NT could be 100% black and I would consider that this is my team and my country. I really don't give a if white guys are not part of my team. NT teams are not here to respect the % of blacks, whites, yellows... of the country. There is only Spain in Europe to care about the number of whites or basques within a team.

[Brazil]

I wouldn't wanna play for France either, Gonzalo made the right decision

Right now I'd choose Argentina too

Evra and co need to gtfo the France NT, they are all quiters, they all ted on an "old" respected ins ution. They really can kiss my ass and just limit themselves to make money in Spain, England and Germany to help their multi millionaire teams to win more les.

I prefer 10 years of disgrace than seeing these ers wearing a French jersey

[Brazil]

Hey if his parents have paid their taxes, why not ?

It's actually a very interesting point you made.

In my case for instance, I'm the product of the french free education system and I'm living in Brazil paying taxes in Brazil. Now you and I could consider that I took advantage of the French system and there is no payback for France. Of course my parents pay their taxes but as they have limited revenues they have low income tax to pay, all in all I received more from France system than my parents and I contributed (thats the beauty of France) and I used that for another country.

Well my case is special because I'm working for a French company and I worked in France 10 years but I have some friends that started their carreer abroad in a non french company and they will never come back. In their cases France just throw money through the window (thats provocative but not that much)

[lefty]

Here is an interesting interview with Aimé Jacquet, 98 France coach, dating from 2005:

It's in French, so Brazil will translate it for us

Foot Africa : Les règles relatives à la nationalité des jeunes joueurs ont changé fin 2003. Certains joueurs formés en France (Sissoko, Kanouté) ont opté pour la sélection de leur pays d'origine et d'autres (comme Ben Saada) pourraient le faire. Cela ne bouleverse-t-il pas la donne en matière de détection des jeunes talents ?
Aimé Jacquet : Cela ne bouleverse rien. Notre système s'adresse à des garçons qui se destinent à l'excellence. Soit l'équipe de France, qui est le but de la plupart d'entre eux parce qu'ils sont nés en France, soit l'équipe de leur pays d'origine, si l'équipe de France ne leur est pas accessible. Je trouve très positif qu'ils puissent choisir entre deux voies vers l'excellence. Même si cela peut poser des problèmes dans notre réflexion un pe peu plus « franco-française ». Contrairement à ce qu'on croit, le Français est ouvert au monde. Même si, comme partout, il y a des cons qui sont racistes… Nous n'avons jamais regardé les origines de nos jeunes joueurs et j'interdis à mes entraîneurs de le faire ! On détecte les meilleurs jeunes, on les forme, on leur donne la possibilité de se réinsérer socialement s'ils ne peuvent pas atteindre le haut niveau. Même s'ils choisissent l'équipe de leur pays d'origine, ils seront reconnaissants au football français de ce qu'il a fait pour eux… Ce qui ne les empêchera pas de venir battre l'équipe de France quand même ! (rires)

Ces règles vont donc dans le bon sens…
Oui ! Dans le monde actuel, on a bien besoin de ça. Le sport reste assez ouvert et montre un certain exemple, même s'il y aura toujours des racistes. L'important, c'est que le football passe car c'est un moyen de convivialité, d'expression, de rassemblement fantastique. Et c'est le sport populaire par excellence. Le seul risque, et les instances ont d'ailleurs mis le holà, venait des naturalisations abusives, comme au Qatar. C'était une dérive dangereuse ! Globalement, je dirais donc que les décisions prises par la FIFA sont très bonnes.

On l'a aussi vu avec l'exemple de Zinédine Zidane en Algérie : ces règles de nationalité concourent au rapprochement des peuples…
Oui, elles encouragent le respect mutuel…

[lefty]

It's actually a very interesting point you made.

In my case for instance, I'm the product of the french free education system and I'm living in Brazil paying taxes in Brazil. Now you and I could consider that I took advantage of the French system and there is no payback for France. Of course my parents pay their taxes but as they have limited revenues they have low income tax to pay, all in all I received more from France system than my parents and I contributed (thats the beauty of France) and I used that for another country.

Well my case is special because I'm working for a French company and I worked in France 10 years but I have some friends that started their carreer abroad in a non french company and they will never come back. In their cases France just throw money through the window (thats provocative but not that much)

By the way, are you going to Detroit ?

[Ginobilly]

Just to clear things up, I'm not saying the debate is right and we need to do something about that by implementing restrictions or increasing selection criteria. I was just explaining that the whole stuff has nothing to do with racism but with investing money wisely. Laurent Blanc is not a racist guy by any mean, the whole scandal is BS.

Then I do agree with your post, quotas are not the solution and every investment has a part of risks and in the case of France it worth it (see Zidane).

Now for instance I do think if a young player accepts to play for let's the sub 17 years old France NT he shouldn't be able to change his mind and play for another country 2 years later unless there is an agreement of the French federation considering his potential.



I do agree regarding the feeling people can have. Point is, it was an internal discussion there was a leak and the interpretation of all that stuff is wrong. Nobody is stupid enough (unless your name is Lepen) in France to try to limit the number of guys who enable us to win a WC.



Dude I don't even know where I have to begin.

First of all Cro Magnon is tied with African Mechta and Afalou, it seems that the fathers of Cro Magnon are African
Second it has been demonstrated for instance that the Basques in France or Spain have nothing to do with Cro Magnon and guess what they are white "caucasian" european. The feeling that Cro Magnon represent the Europeans is at best a floklore, there is absolutely 0 evidence whatsoever.

There is no such BS of Ethnic French men. At the end of the line a white guy isn't more french than a black guy like a ing basque isn't less french than I am.

Your argument about genetic fathers is dumb as .

France NT could be 100% black and I would consider that this is my team and my country. I really don't give a if white guys are not part of my team. NT teams are not here to respect the % of blacks, whites, yellows... of the country. There is only Spain in Europe to care about the number of whites or basques within a team.

How is it dumb as ? You know that I'm talking about the original inhabitants of the French country (Basques, -erectus, caucasians, etc, whatever). The fact of the matter is that they can't get it done for whatever reason with their French dudes. No wonder white French women would rather go with a French brother, or a French Muslim, instead their goofy white boys. You'll lack testicular for ude. France= The Dallas Mavericks of world history!

France loosing to Mexico in cico de mayo!

[Brazil]

How is it dumb as ? You know that I'm talking about the original inhabitants of the French country (Basques, -erectus, caucasians, etc, whatever).

Good you're making progress abandonning the genetic fathers bull now you are on the "original inhabitants" ? you don't even know how defining that. I'll try to sum up your thought for you a french guy is white. thats some serious flawed logic right there. breaking news you're wrong.

The fact of the matter is that they can't get it done for whatever reason with their French dudes. No wonder white French women would rather go with a French brother, or a French Muslim, instead their goofy white boys. You'll lack testicular for ude. France= The Dallas Mavericks of world history!

nice the whitty weak dude smack, white boys can't jump and their penis is small. too funny. The fact you are using funny smileys don't help you to hide your stupidity.

France loosing to Mexico in cico de mayo!

you think you are on the nba forum ? 4 rings got and stuff ?

loosing to Mexico

[Ginobilly]

Good you're making progress abandonning the genetic fathers bull now you are on the "original inhabitants" ? you don't even know how defining that. I'll try to sum up your thought for you a french guy is white. thats some serious flawed logic right there. breaking news you're wrong.



nice the whitty weak dude smack, white boys can't jump and their penis is small. too funny. The fact you are using funny smileys don't help you to hide your stupidity.



you think you are on the nba forum ? 4 rings got and stuff ?

loosing to Mexico

I'm just talking BS man don't take this too serious. But seriously though, France should allow whoever could play soccer for their national team, regardless of their biological race, ethnicity, whatever. France needs all the help they can get if they want to contend for the 2014 world cup. But deep down I know the French wished their players could be all cool and like the Spanish/Italian players; (pimps) getting all the chicks, glory, and trophies. But in the end, everybody wishes they could like Brazilian players of old:

And I never said that white boys couldn't jump or play. The problem with the French is that they have gotten lazy in raising their young males to exceed in sports. Countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, England, Holland, culturally put more pressure, and challenges for their young males to exceed in physical sports. It's no coincidence that the majority of championships have come from those countries. I bet anything that many more youth in Spain, Germany, and Italy are hard at work at the pitch emulating the moves of Iniesta, and working on their games. While the French youth are probably eating pastries and playing Nintendo Wii.

[ALVAREZ6]

^^^straight out of your ass^^^


CROFL at making the biggest stretch argument based on the tiny sample size of recent world cups. Recent: past 1-2 decades. Frequency: once every 4 years.

[sonic21]

And I never said that white boys couldn't jump or play. The problem with the French is that they have gotten lazy in raising their young males to exceed in sports. Countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, England, Holland, culturally put more pressure, and challenges for their young males to exceed in physical sports. It's no coincidence that the majority of championships have come from those countries. I bet anything that many more youth in Spain, Germany, and Italy are hard at work at the pitch emulating the moves of Iniesta, and working on their games. While the French youth are probably eating pastries and playing Nintendo Wii.

France has never been a great football nation and never will be. They had great generations (kopa, platini, zidane). They suck in the 90s, 70s, 60s. They will never compete in every WC. Only Brazil, germany, italy and maybe argentina will always have good teams (also Italy i'm not so sure anymore LOL Italy). France are like Spain and Holland, they will sometimes have a shot at winning the WC but won't always be elite.

France right now have good players and i think if Laurent Blanc is doing a decent job, they are only behind Brazil, Spain, Germany, Holland and Argentina (at the same level of England, Portugal, Italy, Mexico) . That's not so bad.

[Brazil]

I'm just talking BS man don't take this too serious. But seriously though, France should allow whoever could play soccer for their national team, regardless of their biological race, ethnicity, whatever. France needs all the help they can get if they want to contend for the 2014 world cup. But deep down I know the French wished their players could be all cool and like the Spanish/Italian players; (pimps) getting all the chicks, glory, and trophies. But in the end, everybody wishes they could like Brazilian players of old:

And I never said that white boys couldn't jump or play. The problem with the French is that they have gotten lazy in raising their young males to exceed in sports. Countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, England, Holland, culturally put more pressure, and challenges for their young males to exceed in physical sports. It's no coincidence that the majority of championships have come from those countries. I bet anything that many more youth in Spain, Germany, and Italy are hard at work at the pitch emulating the moves of Iniesta, and working on their games. While the French youth are probably eating pastries and playing Nintendo Wii.

I don't take stuff too seriously bur you're so full of fail.

You know absolutely nothing about France, Europe and sports in general

Countries like Germany, Spain, Italy, England, Holland, culturally put more pressure, and challenges for their young males to exceed in physical sports. It's no coincidence that the majority of championships have come from those countries.