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    Obama just got re-elected.
    LMFAO!!!! You're a ing idiot cheerleading got for this guy. Stop it. Just ing stop it!

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    where u been jack? lets talk oil bidness!

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    I will spare you the imagery. It is not pleasant.
    Thats horrible. What good is winning if you lose your soul in the process?

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    I loved all the "I's" in Barrys speech about killing Osama.

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    LMFAO!!!! You're a ing idiot cheerleading got for this guy. Stop it. Just ing stop it!
    What? I know you're illiterate but I've done nothing but pretty much criticize Obama for years now.

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    They were only 60-80% sure OBL was at that compound.
    Not according to the information that I saw. They positively confirmed it before going in.

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    Not according to the information that I saw. They positively confirmed it before going in.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/0...den/index.html

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    I loved all the "I's" in Barrys speech about killing Osama.
    I also loved W's 2003 speech where he stood on an aircraft carrier underneath a banner that said "Mission Accomplished"

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    If nothing else, I will say this. Had this country gone stupid and elected McCain Osama would still be alive.

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    If nothing else, I will say this. Had this country gone stupid and elected McCain Osama would still be alive.
    Very true. The man was set against going into Pakistan but wants to bomb bomb bomb Iran.

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    If nothing else, I will say this. Had this country gone stupid and elected McCain Osama would still be alive.

    Why?

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    What did McCain say about Pakistan, Darrin?

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    I loved all the "I's" in Barrys speech about killing Osama.
    I didn't think that Obama's "I" and "my" usage was done to take credit away from anyone, it was to tell those Islamofascists - "hey gots, it's obama here. that osama called the hit on NYC, i called the hit on him. we been lurking, but it was time to shut his ass down for good. step off, suck the d."...basically.

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    oh, and Mccain would have had a heart attack in the OBL Raid room. That would have been too intense, even for most healthy people.

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    What did McCain say about Pakistan, Darrin?

    I think McCain would have probably followed the same foreign policy as Bush, which is exactly what Obama did.

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    oh, and Mccain would have had a heart attack in the OBL Raid room. That would have been too intense, even for most healthy people.

    That's just silly.

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    This source said that CIA analysts rated the probability of bin Laden living at the house at between 60-80%.
    (shrugs)

    A lot of conflicting accounts going around, as the news organizations try to fill stories, I guess.

    My memory of what I read says that they had id'ed him before they went in using DNA, but I would guess that the reporter got it wrong. Or (gasp) my memory might be wrong, either way, I stand corrected.

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    I think McCain would have probably followed the same foreign policy as Bush, which is exactly what Obama did.
    Oddly enough, after about 6 years or so of unilateralism, Bush started getting the hang of it. Unfortunately, those 6 years soured so many relations that reversing course wasn't quite possible.

    The last 2 years of Bush foreign policy started hitting the right tone, IMO. Much as I disliked a lot of things he did, I have always given him that.

    Obama has done some modestly different things, but you are essentially correct.

    What has changed was the world appreciated the American people's repudiation of Bush by electing a Democrat, among other things, and this markedly improved a lot of working relationships almost instantly.

    The effect has worn somewhat in the interim, but it seems that Obama, at least on several fronts, benefitted from Bush groundwork.

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    I was watching CSI Miami when it happened. Why couldn't Obama have waited like 10 to 15 minutes? His speech cut off the ending of CSI Miami. I wanted to know if Jan from The Office was the killer. I bet a lot of old people were pissed that Barry had to cut into CSI Miami.
    First off, I think this whole Bin Laden being dead thing is su ious. They destroyed pretty much most of the evidence of the raid including Bin Laden's body. And why the was that piece of given a Muslim funeral? Who the cares if he gets a funeral? Did Tim McVeigh get a funeral after he was executed? Nope. Whether or not if it really happened, this really helps Barry in a lot of ways. It may have sealed the deal on his re-election. However, I do think it's possible that he may have played this card too early. For the record, I believe that terrorists especially pieces of like Osam don't deserve funerals. And I also think it was stupid for Osama to be killed. What about all the information that the CIA could have gotten from him if he had caved and gave them information?

    So how long will this current Obama lovefest happen? And isn't it funny how this makes people forget about how ed up the economy is and how hard it is to get a job right now? And everyone's pretty much forgotten about the tornado victims in Alabama and other parts of the south.
    another classic from this guy

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    I think McCain would have probably followed the same foreign policy as Bush, which is exactly what Obama did.
    You're wrong.

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    Waterboarding didn't work.

    Live with that, Darrin. Just live with it.

    KSM had been waterboarded before giving this info. There's no telling one way or another if waterboarding was effective. None of us really knows what went on.

    KSM didn't crack while being waterboarded 183 times...but EIT may have worked because KSM gave information during routine interrogation, months later.

    Now you're just piling absurdities on top of careless misrepresentations.


    The people who did it knew what went on. That's how they can say which technique got the information. You gave us an article that says so.

    Why is it so important for you to cling to your lies and stupidly wrong assertions even after you destroy your own argument with something you thought was helping you?

    You were wrong.

    Waterboarding didn't get this information.

    That's it.

    Trying to deny that makes you as pathetic as any birther or truther.



    Glad you finally admitted your support of torture is faith-based, rather than empirical or rational. As you well know, science excludes unfalsifiables.

    So much for "we'll never know" being a vindication of the efficacy of torture.



    http://www.nationaljournal.com/natio...laden-20110503


    Holder: Don't Know If Waterboarding Led to bin Laden
    By Sara Sorcher



    Although Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday commended the U.S. operation that killed Osama bin Laden, he said he didn't know whether any of the information that led to bin Laden's death was gleaned during "enhanced interrogation techniques" such as waterboarding.

    Holder, a longtime opponent of keeping the Guantanamo Bay prison open, was asked whether lawmakers could be assured that the intelligence that led to bin Laden's killing was not the result of waterboarding and other methods used under the George W. Bush administration to extract information from inmates.

    "There was a mosaic of sources that lead to the identification of the people" that ultimately led to al-Qaida's leader, Holder told the House Judiciary Committee.

    When asked if "any" enhanced interrogation techniques directly led to bin Laden's killing, Holder simply replied: "I do not know."


    In a startling reversal of policy last month, President Obama ordered a military commission at Guantanamo Bay to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks--despite the administration's (and Holder's) push to bring Mohammed to trial in New York City. Efforts to close Guantanamo have faltered as well and the prison is enjoying an unexpected second life under the Obama administration, which had decried the prison and its previous interrogation techniques as unethical and an embarrassment to the United States.

    Holder, on Tuesday, said that his position on military commissions is often "mischaracterized," adding that, "especially because they have been modified," military commissions are "cons utional [and] can give fair trials."

    Holder warned that the government and law-enforcement agencies cannot become “complacent” because of the possibility of retaliatory attacks. “The fight [against terrorism] is far from over…. Just yesterday I ordered the [Justice] Department's prosecutors and law-enforcement agencies to be mindful that bin Laden's death could result in retaliatory acts in the United States or against our interests overseas.”

    Bin Laden’s killing was the result of a “steadfast, almost decadelong effort,” Holder said, which has been “at the forefront of our work” in which the Justice Department played a vital role. “Osama bin Laden has been brought to justice,” he added.

    Last year, Holder told Congressthat it's unlikely bin Laden would be captured alive. "We will be reading Miranda rights to the corpse of Osama bin Laden," he said.

    When asked Tuesday whether it was legal to take action in Pakistan against bin Laden, Holder said he thought the operation was "both lawful, legitimate, and appropriate in every way." The U.S. decision makers "handled themselves, I think, quite well," he said.

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    It's called an opinion, you ignorant .

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    It's called an opinion, you ignorant .
    stop backpedaling from your lie, mr. birther.

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