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Daddy: 38 years old
Kobe: 33 years old
If Daddy had those 5 years, there'd be no Kobe-led les in LA. And maybe no Kobe in LA, either.
Laughable, tbh. Your argument ALWAYS revolves around Kobe just bein' Kobe, dawg. Taking the good with the bad. You always fail to understand Kobe being Kobe has never worked unless he had the most talented team in the League.
Additionally, calling out his teammates like this without taking the blame after this many seasons and 5 les?
Pathetic.
Daddy: 38 years old
Kobe: 33 years old
If Daddy had those 5 years, there'd be no Kobe-led les in LA. And maybe no Kobe in LA, either.
Talent wins. Is Kobe supposed to apologize for having talent on his team?
You're criticizing him for character flaws when you talk about his leadership or being a or a punk. His game has flaws too but is good enough to be the best player of champioship teams. You'd be better served to criticize his game, not his personality or his comments that are made after the game.
I ain't doin' "If", Z. I don't have to.
Kobe: 5
Duncan: 4
Kobe: 2
Daddy: 1
I waited in stoic silence, tight lipped, ashened faced for the numbers to tote up in my favor. & now that they have I'm gonna Lord it over every mother's son.
Let us proceed...
Has there ever been a multiple champion that TALKED so much as the Lakers?
STFU and play
Flawed line of questioning. The issue here in this thread is, why is Kobe's character constantly suspect? Why does he feel he never has the blame of a loss? Why must he vocalize his issues with his teammates when, with or without them, he's proven just as stubborn and big-headed?
Kobe's extremely suspect character allows him to constantly jack up shots without being called out by his teammates or the media. Being the best scorer and ball-handler on an extremely talented le team doesn't mean he was a great team leader who persevered through the difficulties. He's over-hyped and overrated as a leader and a supposed "warrior." He's as insecure and big-headed as they come and no one with respect for the game should forget that.You're criticizing him for character flaws when you talk about his leadership or being a or a punk. His game has flaws too but is good enough to be the best player of champioship teams. You'd be better served to criticize his game, not his personality or his comments that are made after the game.
29 shots and 0 assists?
And because he happens to make 14 of those shots (a decent percentage for once), the loss has nothing to do with him. Okay, sure.
This guy's ego surpasses anything in the history of sport, if not the world.
Honestly, with three of the longest guys in the league in the paint, one would think Bryant would get 2-3 assists by accident, like dribbling it off his foot.
You got no room. You acted a last night...and the Hawks...they ed ya like a .
The only thing you need to remember is
Tim, Shaq, and MJ > Kobe, regardless of team accomplishment counts
No. It's:::
Kobe: 5
Duncan: 4
Daddy: 4
MJ: 6 and frozen.
lol
"we gotta feed it in more to Gasol and Bynum, my bench has to do a better job of that"
"but I'm gonna keep doin what I do, and that's take 29 shots. In fact, I might take more than that in game 2, because as a leader of this team the loss had nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with my bad passes in crunch time. But somehow we gotta feed the ball inside more while I take more shots. I challenge the bench to pull that off."
Kobe
Kobe, the obvious tool. How do people defend this dude without getting sick to their stomach?
I like to see somebody triumph over Media::
Kobe, the obvious tool. How do people defend this dude without getting sick to their stomach?addy did it in 2000 Vs. Indy when they were ready to string him up by Buster Browns. And Kobe did it in '09 when they were set to break his ass. Thus by extention I get to smight "you people" who serve at the behest of Media.
There is nothing more rewarding to me than:::
Kobe: 5
Duncan: 4
I enjoy Kobe's deep mental disturbance, and his ability to rub his foes nose in their makings to spite them. You/They thought they'd defeated him, denied him his onions. But, You/They were wrong.
It's get better than that. But, I'll be damned if I can cite it.
Tim, Shaq, MJ > Kobe
No:::
Kobe: 5
Duncan & Daddy: 4
MJ: 6 & frozen in time.
Tim, Shaq, MJ > Kobe
Horry > Kobe by your logic, as well
I got no problem with Horry.
But, otherwise, it's:::
Kobe: 5
Duncan & Daddy: 4
MJ: 6 and land locked.
I know I saw Bean hit the open man a few times last night ... that man being Ron Artest and dude just couldn't hit .... can't get an assist unless players make shots.
1-8 was horrid
I'm waiting for the relevance of his character. Does it affect the Lakers winning of losing? Kobe's personality has been the same as the last two seasons. When his teammates don't play well, he acts like a and tells them to play better. If it was that much of an issue, it should have adversely affected their chances to win the last two seasons. It did not.
I ask politely one more time, what relevance is the criticism about his character to the Lakers' chances of winning and losing?
So not only can a poor leader win a championship, but a poor leader can lead a team two back-to-back championships? They win despite Kobe's leadership, right? If that were the case, could we argue hypothetically that other great championship players in the past could have also been bad leaders but they just had the talent themselves and on their teams to win despite their poor leadership? In today's highly media covered society with youtube and twitter and facebook, professional athletes (not just Kobe) are even more under a microscope than ever. Every character flaw, every little blow-up, every poorly judged comment will get seen and heard and criticized. Mind you, it doesn't mean Kobe isn't wrong or isn't an egomaniac or a isn't a poor leader. I just think people obsess way too much about comments to the media and his personality when the bottomline is what happens on the basketball court when the game is being played.Kobe's extremely suspect character allows him to constantly jack up shots without being called out by his teammates or the media. Being the best scorer and ball-handler on an extremely talented le team doesn't mean he was a great team leader who persevered through the difficulties. He's over-hyped and overrated as a leader and a supposed "warrior." He's as insecure and big-headed as they come and no one with respect for the game should forget that.
I agree Kobe is stubborn and big headed and insecure in his own way. If that's your best criticism of the guy because you rather talk about that than his jacking up shots or failure to get an assist, I think your time is poorly spent.
With all of negative character flaws Kobe has exhibited last night, does that mean the last two seasons, he was a good leader? Does that mean he wasn't insecure or big headed or stubborn or a jerk or a bad leader the previous two seasons? Winning cures all. Winning forgives those criticisms. And if Kobe can't win this season, the vultures will fly down and take their piece. But this is the same Kobe that led the Lakers two the last two NBA championships. There is plenty of criticism you can make about his game. I don't know why some of you insist on obsessing over his comments about his teammates and his "leadership" and his ego, etc.
Jamstone is back taking the weaker posters of this forum to the wood-shed. I agree 100% why not fault Kobe for missing his last 5 game-winning or game tying playoff shots anstead? But by getting all emo in these arguments and and saying he is a poor leader compared to Duncan (or anyone else) is a fool's errand. The bottom line is winning ...duh! and with all the leadership skills that Duncan or Kobe have or do not have, wouldn't mean without winning...
and let's be honest the locker-room leader of the Lakers is Fisher. he is the "good-cop". Kobe that asshole cop and he plays it well. But Phil is the leader of the Lakers and i will be curious to see how Kobe steps as a leader or fails after Phil is gone ...
Kobe actually said not Feeding the ball to Bynum and Gasol wasnt his fault, he never said the loss wasnt on him. In the 13 min that he sat, Bynum and Gasol only had 3 FGA.
league average is 28% .... Bean happens to be 28%
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